From: "Nate Holdren" <nateholdren-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: AUT: Cobas/SUD
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:06:20 -0500


My experiences are a lot like Sean's, not a lot of leftists I know of have 
heard of autonomism. And yeah, some of the anarchists I've met don't read 
much, though Chicago is home to an anarchist magazine called Arsenal that's 
not bad (excellent design) published out of the anarchist infoshop the 
Autonomous Zone.
A lot of the marxists I've met don't read a lot either outside of their 
sect's accepted canon. Chicago also is home to the headquarters of News and 
Letters, who are Dunayevskaya's group. They're a nice bunch of folks, 
thought strange in some ways. People in that organization tend to have at 
least heard of autonomism (which makes sense in that Dunayevskaya is 
identified as an autonomist of sorts) but they tend to reject anything 
that's not Hegelian, I don't really understand it.
There used to be Ya Basta collectives in Cincinatti and in New York, but I 
think they broke up after Genoa.
Sean if you start a journal sign me up.
Nate

>
>Hello Steve,
>--- pmargin-AT-froggy.com.au wrote:
> >
> >
> > asc wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Does autonomism have meaning in australia? Very
> > few
> >
> > that's a good question! What do others on the list
> > think? Certainly some
> > leaders of leninist groups think it has a meaning
> > here ;-)
>
>the leninists i speak to in the u.s. don't know
>autonomism...
> >
> > A few years ago, I was of the opinion that there was
> > a certain space for
> > people here to define autonomist politics as best
> > suited them. But I
> > don't know that many comrades feel that strongly
> > about it. A few of us
> > in Melbourne talked about starting a web zine after
> > the anti-WEF
> > blockade, but so far nothing has come of it. I still
> > think a 'tendency'
> > journal would be a good idea here - but probably
> > more important at
> > present, is the need for a space for reflection on
> > current issues in
> > class composition, something like an Australian
> > Collegamenti ...
>
>almost all the libertarian leftists i meet are
>anarchists and think that karl marx is a stalinist. i
>meet a lot of anarchists that don't read, i wonder if
>this is a problem other comrades have encountered?
>i think a multi-tendency journal would be a great
>idea! i actually have thought about starting such a
>journal myself, if anyone knows one already existing
>please inform me... i thought bad days will end was
>pretty awesome but i'm not sure it's still happening,
>and of course that was only far left tendencies and
>didn't include right wing communism at all...
> >
> > In Melbourne at least, I think it is most common for
> > a number of
> > comrades to say that they are influenced by
> > autonomist marxism, amongst
> > other things. Some of the Morning Star social centre
> > crew in Sydney seem
> > to label themselves autonomists, as have some in the
> > local group Love &
> > Rage there.
>
>that's really great to hear, i think some of the nyc
>love and rage ppl were autonomists but that collective
>folded quite sometime ago...
> >
> > > activists are familiar with the term in the U.S.
> > or
> > > the principles of autonomist marxism (at least on
> > the
> > > east coast), and 'autonomism' certainly would not
> > > appear in the u.s. iww paper (interesting
> > considering
> > > i think cleaver actually coined the term)
> >
> > again, I know quite a few people in the IWW who
> > would say that they were
> > influenced by autonomist marxism. But then there are
> > a wide range of
> > currents of opinion in the IWW, from libertarian
> > marxists to anarchists
> > to Quakers to members of various sorts of labor
> > parties to who knows
> > what else ...
>
>of the wobblies i meet in the u.s most are class
>struggle anarchists, leninists that think afl is not
>radical enough, or people with more social democratic
>politics that just think the labor movement has sold
>out to business unionism (or think industrial unionism
>is a better model than trade unionism), it's rare to
>meet someone influenced by autonomist, libertarian
>marxist, or situationists ideas in the wobblies...
> >
> >
> > > thanks for the tips i'll have to look into those
> > iww
> > > chapters more myself...
> >
> > More info on the Portland branches can be found at
> > http://www.iwwpdx.org/index.html
>
>i will visit soon.
>talk to you later,
>-Sean
>
>====>"When I wake up will my eyes still be blinking, will my heart still be 
>cycling on, off, on, off, on, off, on, off..."
>  -Macaulay Culprit-
>
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