From: "cwright" <cwright-AT-21stcentury.net>
Subject: Re: AUT: Cobas/SUD
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:24:07 -0600


I'll have to be signed up too.  Course, commie00 and I talked about somehing
like this, but more along Aufheben lines, around a year ago.

Cheers,
Chris
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From: "Nate Holdren" <nateholdren-AT-hotmail.com>
To: <aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: AUT: Cobas/SUD


> My experiences are a lot like Sean's, not a lot of leftists I know of have
> heard of autonomism. And yeah, some of the anarchists I've met don't read
> much, though Chicago is home to an anarchist magazine called Arsenal
that's
> not bad (excellent design) published out of the anarchist infoshop the
> Autonomous Zone.
> A lot of the marxists I've met don't read a lot either outside of their
> sect's accepted canon. Chicago also is home to the headquarters of News
and
> Letters, who are Dunayevskaya's group. They're a nice bunch of folks,
> thought strange in some ways. People in that organization tend to have at
> least heard of autonomism (which makes sense in that Dunayevskaya is
> identified as an autonomist of sorts) but they tend to reject anything
> that's not Hegelian, I don't really understand it.
> There used to be Ya Basta collectives in Cincinatti and in New York, but I
> think they broke up after Genoa.
> Sean if you start a journal sign me up.
> Nate
>
> >
> >Hello Steve,
> >--- pmargin-AT-froggy.com.au wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > asc wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Does autonomism have meaning in australia? Very
> > > few
> > >
> > > that's a good question! What do others on the list
> > > think? Certainly some
> > > leaders of leninist groups think it has a meaning
> > > here ;-)
> >
> >the leninists i speak to in the u.s. don't know
> >autonomism...
> > >
> > > A few years ago, I was of the opinion that there was
> > > a certain space for
> > > people here to define autonomist politics as best
> > > suited them. But I
> > > don't know that many comrades feel that strongly
> > > about it. A few of us
> > > in Melbourne talked about starting a web zine after
> > > the anti-WEF
> > > blockade, but so far nothing has come of it. I still
> > > think a 'tendency'
> > > journal would be a good idea here - but probably
> > > more important at
> > > present, is the need for a space for reflection on
> > > current issues in
> > > class composition, something like an Australian
> > > Collegamenti ...
> >
> >almost all the libertarian leftists i meet are
> >anarchists and think that karl marx is a stalinist. i
> >meet a lot of anarchists that don't read, i wonder if
> >this is a problem other comrades have encountered?
> >i think a multi-tendency journal would be a great
> >idea! i actually have thought about starting such a
> >journal myself, if anyone knows one already existing
> >please inform me... i thought bad days will end was
> >pretty awesome but i'm not sure it's still happening,
> >and of course that was only far left tendencies and
> >didn't include right wing communism at all...
> > >
> > > In Melbourne at least, I think it is most common for
> > > a number of
> > > comrades to say that they are influenced by
> > > autonomist marxism, amongst
> > > other things. Some of the Morning Star social centre
> > > crew in Sydney seem
> > > to label themselves autonomists, as have some in the
> > > local group Love &
> > > Rage there.
> >
> >that's really great to hear, i think some of the nyc
> >love and rage ppl were autonomists but that collective
> >folded quite sometime ago...
> > >
> > > > activists are familiar with the term in the U.S.
> > > or
> > > > the principles of autonomist marxism (at least on
> > > the
> > > > east coast), and 'autonomism' certainly would not
> > > > appear in the u.s. iww paper (interesting
> > > considering
> > > > i think cleaver actually coined the term)
> > >
> > > again, I know quite a few people in the IWW who
> > > would say that they were
> > > influenced by autonomist marxism. But then there are
> > > a wide range of
> > > currents of opinion in the IWW, from libertarian
> > > marxists to anarchists
> > > to Quakers to members of various sorts of labor
> > > parties to who knows
> > > what else ...
> >
> >of the wobblies i meet in the u.s most are class
> >struggle anarchists, leninists that think afl is not
> >radical enough, or people with more social democratic
> >politics that just think the labor movement has sold
> >out to business unionism (or think industrial unionism
> >is a better model than trade unionism), it's rare to
> >meet someone influenced by autonomist, libertarian
> >marxist, or situationists ideas in the wobblies...
> > >
> > >
> > > > thanks for the tips i'll have to look into those
> > > iww
> > > > chapters more myself...
> > >
> > > More info on the Portland branches can be found at
> > > http://www.iwwpdx.org/index.html
> >
> >i will visit soon.
> >talk to you later,
> >-Sean
> >
> >====> >"When I wake up will my eyes still be blinking, will my heart still be
> >cycling on, off, on, off, on, off, on, off..."
> >  -Macaulay Culprit-
> >
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