From: "Kurasje Archive" <kurasje-AT-iname.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 06:24:05 +0800
Subject: AUT: Cuba - Capitalist ?!


Hey louis

Now we are starting something:

>>I asked: 
>>- do they have commodity production ? 
>>- do they have money based economy ? 
>>- is wage labour the existential way of life >>- for the immediate producers ? 

>The answer to all your questions is yes, but >this does not complete the picture. ....

Of course it does not complete the picture ! 

But it settles the basic ground of critical 'marxist' understanding of Cuba:

The 'immediate producers'  - the wast majority of the population  -  are devided from the 'means of production' and thus socially and existentially 'enslaved' to an existence as 'wage labours' selling their 'labour power' as commodities in exchange for money (as means to purchace other commodities neccasary for survival and reproduction) to some 'employer', who owns or represents ownership of 'the means of production', which the 'immediate producers' by this basic social relationship of production cannot just command for their own needs.

Sorry about the length/complicity of this sentence, but it is supposed to expres some basic 'marxism':

The fundamental social relation of production in Cuba is that of a devision of the immediate producers from the means of productions as wage laborers excistentially forced to sell their working power/potentiels to some boss  -  small private shopowner, smart commercial asshole, cooperative firm, tolerated foreign capitalist entreprise or stateown enteprises.

Well - this is just the basic social relationsship of capitalism ! No difference so far !

Theoretically  -  sorry Louis, if you don't like such references  -  this is what Marx defined as the basic foundation of das Kapital im Allgemeinen (Capital in general) and which he spent years and thousands of pages to explore (Grundrisse .. and other manuscrpts before Das Kapital vol. 1). You should really give it a try and understand the imnportence and implications of these manuscripts.

Well: 'and that does not complete the picture!

No of course. But it does basically !

You refer to some obviously pro-cuban theorecian, that I do not know. But from your reference I get the clear picture, that he is only repeating the ideology of the soviet economists, who had a bussiness trying to use poor old Marx to make excuses for state capitalism with 'socialist' facade.

So much for now.
Regards
j.



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