From: "Nate Holdren" <nateholdren-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: AUT: Fwd: Amiri Baraka poem
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:03:54 -0400


Hey all-
I'm with Thomas on this one. I think the poem sucks. I'm not a poetry expert 
by any means, but I know what I like and what I don't Also, it's political 
content is crap in my opinion.

Chris your points about the importance of style and not falling into a 
language ugly, awkward, and ossified are well made (as opposed to the snide 
remarks about Negri). The EZLN stuff is really important and innovative this 
way (Plus it tends to have a content I support much more than Baraka.) Have 
you ever read the interview w/ Marcos where he talks about the literature 
that influenced him? (I've got an acquaintance who claims a lot of the EZLN 
rhetoric is influenced by/patterned after the language of Las Casas, I don't 
know much about that, but this again supports the claims of the importance 
of style.)
I think I can agree w/ everything you have to say about speaking multiple 
vernaculars (which I will admit in my limited experiences Negri isn't so hot 
at) while still holding Baraka low on my list of laudables.
It's particularly interesting to me Chris that you're so vehemently 
anti-Nietzschean (sp?) given that N was engaged in and influential in 
matters stylistic, both in his own work and in subsequent work, both marxist 
and otherwise.

best,
Nate



>From: asc <satellitecrash-AT-yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>Subject: Re: AUT: Fwd: Amiri Baraka poem
>Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:14:54 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Thomas and autopsy,
>I claim ignorance on poetry, i have no idea what makes
>a good poem...
>
>this poem is no doubt a little to heavy on conspiracy
>theory, but i thought it had it's bright spots... from
>a comrade who knows nothing about poetry...
>love and rage,
>-Sean
>
>--- Thomas Seay <entheogens-AT-yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Why don't leninist poets learn to condense their
> > verse
> > into haiku or, at least, a sonnet?  Send a copy of
> > "Rhyme's Reason" to that man.
> >
> > I dont favor him getting the boot but that's a
> > pretty
> > mediocre poem...at best.  If he had started
> > screaming
> > "Moloch! Moloch!" towards the end of the poem, I
> > might
> > have been more impressed.
> >
> > -Thomas
> > --- asc <satellitecrash-AT-yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This is a poem read at a festival earlier this
> > > month
> > > > by Amiri Baraka. He
> > > > is currently being asked to resign from his post
> > > as
> > >
> >
> > ====> > Unlike its unruly city counterpart, the suburban
> > body has been wholly domesticated and one can say
> > that the suburbs consitute a huge petting zoo, with
> > the residents' bodies providing the stock of furry
> > mammals.  -JG Ballard "Project for a Glossary  of
> > the Twentieth Century"
> >
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