Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:49:46 +0000
Subject: Re: AUT: archives
From: svejk <anterotesis-AT-yahoo.co.uk>


I'd like to see more archiving and mirroring. There doesn't seem to be 
much of this being done - not even by national libraries and 
universities.

I'd also like to see more use of CDs. They're cheap, easy to burn, and 
hold lots of material (not everyone (very few here in the UK) has 
broadband access). They can be made available for public access in 
libraries, infoshops etc.

I'd be happy to run off copies of Tom's archive for people in the UK 
once i get a copy of it.

(Also, re formatting this stuff - it should be possible to do this 
"open source" and automate it to some extent - lessening the work, and 
spreading it around so it doesn't all fall on one person's shoulders.)

John

On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 07:47  pm, Tom Messmer wrote:

> Steve,
> If you or anyone else has stuff sitting around that isn't on my server,
> please feel free to send it to me. I can then do two things: put it up
> on the server, and burn it to cdrom in case something happens to my
> server.  Also, If people want cdroms of these archives you can email me
> offline and I'll burn you a copy for maybe the cost of postage. If all
> the stuff is redundantly copied it ought to survive.
>
> I've also tossed the idea around of reformatting all this stuff so that
> it is more uniform in appearance, right now its cobbled together from
> 300 websides and so there are many broken links, styles, etc which
> makes it distracting and often irritating. Problem is that this would
> be a long tedious process and I'm not sure I want to tackle it, I
> started and realized that it will involved formatting them by hand,
> file by file...
> Tom
>
> On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 21:05:53 +1100, Steve Wright wrote:
>> The return of Tom's archive (yay) makes me think of an issue that 
>> Harry
>> raised sometime last year - namely, what (if any) efforts are being 
>> made
>> to preserve the many outpourings from left libertarian circles that 
>> have
>> appeared on the Internet over the past decade or so.
>>
>> I know that over the years many of us have built up our own private
>> collections of such files on hard drives and other media, along with
>> publicly accessible collections like Tom's and (before that) the Spunk
>> archive. But is anyone systematically seeking to collect this stuff?
>>
>> It's an important issue for a number of reasons: apart from the fate 
>> of
>> geocities (where many of us had our earliest sites in the mid 1990s), 
>> even
>> websites that aren't on commercially owned servers frequently revamp
>> themselves, removing older files/pages in the process.
>>
>> To take one example: an earlier version of the Radio Sherwood 
>> website, as
>> a webzine Sherwood Tribune, is now nowhere to be found online (or at
>> least, so far as I can ascertain).
>>
>> I'm not sure if others want to talk about how to address such matters 
>> as
>> an autopsy list thread - although I'd want to argue that access to 
>> such
>> material can be a useful part of the circulation of struggles, so 
>> it's not
>> entirely off topic. But if such a thread doesn't take off here, and 
>> you'd
>> like to bounce around some ideas about how to tackle this, feel free 
>> to
>> drop me a line offlist.
>>
>> Steve

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