Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:43:25 -0800
From: Tom Messmer <messmer-AT-endpage.com>
Subject: Re: AUT: ParEcon


Check. Thanks.
Tom


On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:35:11 +0100, Harald Beyer-Arnesen wrote:
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> From: "Tom Messmer" <messmer-AT-endpage.com>
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> Sent: 27. februar 2003 18.42
> Subject: Re: AUT: ParEcon
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> Tom, you write "Personally, I THINK I know what he [that is me,
> Harald] meant by this statement ..."
> 
> I believe you have reason to trust in what you thought
> I meant to say. And I would not agree on that the state-
> ment was imprecise. But let me put it this way, life within
> ParEcon does not come over as much of a life, and is
> not something I would dream of, or aspire towards.
> I think the boring part is rooted in the method,
> turning utopia into mathematics, rather than making
> human relations, creativity and concrete needs
> and desires the main focus. And likewise, different
> concrete ways, formal and informal organizational
> forms, facilating the satisfaction of self-defined human
> urges.without losing track of what triggered these
> questions in the first place: To become the masters of
> our own destinies, the creators of our own lifes, not in
> isolation, but within a sociality where the freedom and
> creativity,  laughter and tears of others makes us all
> the more free and alive.
> 
> On the other hand, the subject of ParEcon in itself is
> interesting, and anything but boring. At times I "hang
> around working class  bars and talk about football,"
> -- and utopian theory and visions too; not each time
> but sometimes.
> 
> Harald
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>>  Boring to who? Boring could mean "I don't want to bother understanding
>>  this" or "I'd rather be out smashing Starbucks windows" or "Whoa man,
>>  I'm more into Yoga right now, man". Personally, I THINK I know what he
>>  meant by this statement, but it's so imprecise that who knows? Thinking
>>  about theory seems really boring to most people period, so whats that
>>  all about? Does it mean we should drop all theory and make art or
>>  bombs, or hang around working class  bars and talk about football?
>> 
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>>>  As for the "boring" comment, I am all for the use of the term boring as
>>>  a sufficient condmenation, in the sense that the SI said "Boredom is
>>>  counterrevolutionary."  I was very tickled when Harald said that and its
>>>  a good point.
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