From: "Lowe Laclau" <lowelaclau-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: AUT: Is A New Magna Carta Kautskyist? (was Negri goes mad}
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:31:27 -0400



What does it mean to "overthrow" capitalism? How does one get beyond it without temporally going beyond THIS, the capitalism of the present? If capitalism is not something that exists in one particular space or geographic region and is something that exists and persists just as much in the human mind as it does is actual practices, how does one suggest that it is to be overthrown? The world won't just come to a screeching halt becomes someone yells really loud at Capital and entrepreneurs who think that they are doing only whats natural at best, and whats benefits all at worst. 

If Hardt and Negri's ideas do nothing what so ever to introduce progressive agendas in the minds of certain people then fine. But where they are deserving of credit is where they are working to generate ideas, and ideas that can have credence in a world much less receptive to the tired proposals and formulas, all the shortsightedness that has brought disrepute to the so called "revolutionary" regimes of past and present. 




No one ever wins a battle being mono-visioned and predictable. 

 

>From: "r s" <kevlarsf-AT-hotmail.com> 


>Reply-To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU 

>To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU 

>Subject: RE: AUT: Is A New Magna Carta Kautskyist? (was Negri goes mad} 

>Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:48:13 -0700 

> 

> 

>If the US imperialist ventures in Iraq and Afghanistan fail (this is 

>a possibility), it does not mean that imperialism no longer exists 

>or "isn't possible" but rather that the  capitalist system itself is 

>facing major crisis.  Negri, instead of offering a revolutionary 

>solution (taking advantage of the weaknesses of capitalism to 

>overthrow it), is pushing a reformist and pro-capitalist agenda, 

>looking to "fix" the system and get rid of that "impossible" 

>imperialism which I suppose only the backwards US continues to 

>embrace.  This is nothing but bourgeois liberal utopian dribble that 

>has been put forth since the league of nations, it won't change 

>anything and it certainly won't end imperialist war. 

> 






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