Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 11:15:45 +0200
From: Martin Hardie <z3118338-AT-student.unsw.edu.au>
Subject: Re: AUT: Hooliganism and class composition -  and Tour de France


Jens
although I could not add anything to the actual conditions in Italy at 
the time of the 1948 TdF I enjoyed immensely the stories you posted.
as someone who in one of their other lines/lives is a bit of a cycling 
journalist I wonder where we can take this thread. I have tried to use 
some of my energy in this regard  (sorry in my ciclojourno stuff) to 
write somethign about the Basque Country to try and "counter" the 
mainstream crap written abut that place.
The latest is for the TdF issue of Bicycling Australia due for 
publication in July. Here it is:  http://openflows.org/~auskadi/marea.html
I was asked to try and explain why the Pyrennees turn orange in July - 
i.e. why are those Basque fans there in such great numbers. Given space 
and the audience I tried -don't know if I did though.  I was tempted to 
call it the Orange Multitude but in the end the Orange Tide seemed better.
You can find them all collected here 
http://openflows.org/~auskadi/loungeroom.html (except the most rceent 
from the Vuelta al pais vasco from a couple of weeks back -  haven't 
linked them yet) I suggest maybe the David Etxaberria interview might be 
of interest re things Basque and Cycling.
To all those who wonder what this is about - I am merely replying to 
Jens spam but there is soemthing intersting in professional sport and 
globalisation and compare the mutli national composition of Lance 
Armstrong's US Postal team the way that Spanish pro teams re becoming 
more tied to local identities than multi national sponsors ...... 
obviously Euskaltel Euskadi's basque only policy is the "extreme" in 
this respect  - but to them being Basque is feeling Basque not a 
question of blood or birth.
Best to all
you can guess who i would liek to win the Tour!
Martin



Kurasje Archive wrote:

>Hi there,
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>I'm not much into this recomposition-project, but more general into the fundamental and 'never' (?!) changing constituent class relationship of wage labour as such. It might be that the phenomenons change and I am fully in favor of disploring such matters. But I like to keep historical proportions and save from the past what is worth remembering and of use to a coming gathering of everything and everybody in the 'grand finale'.
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>As to the phenomenons of sports and entertainments as source for ideological capturing of workers discontents within the limits of the existing social order I don't think that there is any special change fundamentally throughout the history of capitalism. 
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>There is of course a continous change in the means and scope of such ideological collective 'mass-events'. And I can understand and support your effort to try to link the phenomenon of football-hooliganism somehow to the defeat of various branches of the English working class in the 80'ies. That might be so.
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>But the underlying and working constituences here are not a question of this specific phase of British capitalism or of any attached 'recomposition of the working class'. Such factors can only be seen as stimulating and aggravating impulses to mechanisms and potentials already existing within the general constitution of capitalism and thus within the general constitution of the working class  -  no matter what the era.
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>And so for your project:
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>You are focussed on nowadays 'hooliganism'  -  which is ok and needs some investigations  -  surely.
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>The question is however why and how such 'public' events in the 'free time' of the workers can produce such an amount of energy and participation ?
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>And the next question is if not this has always been so  -  within the epoke of capitalism (or even within all previous class societies) ?
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>With this I will also like to announce my usual and coming summer 'spamming' concerning the Tour de France Bicycle-race:
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>What was actually going on in the northern of Italy as reaction on the assault on Togliati in 1948 ?
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>Was there anywhere some radical initiatives to take over (local) control of society ?
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>Or was the whole event just a scene of 'hooliganism' in another context (another composition if you like) ?
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>And how could the Italian winning of the Tour by Gino Bartali contribute to the norminalization of the whole event ?
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>In this mail I will only give you the links to the 'spammings' from last year:
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>http://lists.village.virginia.edu/cgi-bin/spoons/archive_msg.pl?file=aut-op-sy.archive/aut-op-sy.0307&msgnum=16&start=2124&end=2215
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>http://lists.village.virginia.edu/cgi-bin/spoons/archive_msg.pl?file=aut-op-sy.archive/aut-op-sy.0307&msgnum=17&start=2216&end=2290
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>http://lists.village.virginia.edu/cgi-bin/spoons/archive_msg.pl?file=aut-op-sy.archive/aut-op-sy.0307&msgnum=18&start=2291&end=2350
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>http://lists.village.virginia.edu/cgi-bin/spoons/archive_msg.pl?file=aut-op-sy.archive/aut-op-sy.0307&msgnum=43&start=7306&end=7387
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>I promise to be back on this amd encourage everyone - especially from Italy  - to contribute.
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>For now
>
>Jens
>
>www.kurasje.org
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>From: john 
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>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 06:47:02 +0100 
>To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU 
>Subject: Re: AUT: Hooliganism and class composition 
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>>>Namely I would like to propose the phenomenon of football 
>>>hooliganism, other forms of class delinquency and its attendant cycle 
>>>of media hysteria as a parallel narrative to the defeat of 'heroic' 
>>>labour in the miners struggle in 1980's Britain. 
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>>But football hooliganism predates the 80s, and was rife during 70s. 
>>Perhaps the class composition changed, perhaps the narratives: the 
>>portrayal moved from lumpen skinheads in the 70s/early 80s to affluent 
>>"nouveau riche" casuals during the 80s boom. 
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>>John 
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>>svejk's scrapbook 
>>www.svejk.org 
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