From: "Kurasje Archive" <kurasje-AT-iname.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:41:53 -0500
Subject: Re: AUT: Re: The Seduction of Unreason: The Intellectual Romance


For once I think I agree fully with Harald. I.e.at least in the questions raised.

Although and admitted I don't understand much of these discussion beceause of its heavy load of special academic insights in some special branches of discurse. I will not use the word 'jargonism', but it is just about to become relevant.

May be some of you on these interesting threads should raise your horisonts for a moment and try to explain your posisitions more broadly in relation to this lists' main concern about the 'recompostition of the working class'  -  or even better in relation to the not at all 'empty' or 'dead' history of various 'marxist' positions before and outside the confused french 'structuralists' !

Jens/Kurajse

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From: haraldba-AT-online.no 
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:43:10 +0200 
To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU 
Subject: Re: AUT: Re: The Seduction of Unreason: The Intellectual Romance with Fascism from Nietzsche to Postmodernism. 

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> Merely a semi-articulated counterpoint: 
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> Sort of interesting discussion, or bewildering -- for me at least. 
> Then I never quite could understand how you can divorce social 
> revolutionary thought from humanism and the capacity of 
> transcendence. 
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> I do not understand why Law should be married to the thought of 
> "transcedence," when it may as well and more reasonably from 
> my point of view, imply: beyond Law. But then I rightly or wrongly 
> find that all this talk about "immanence" fits a bit too well into 
> the increasing dominance of commodity production here, there 
> and (al
 most) everywhere. 
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> Nor do I understand this reduction of humanism to a human 
> rights "discourse," in particular given that a humanist critique 
> of Law and bourgeois human rights ideology is very, very 
> very old, And very anti-humanist of the past decades have 
> ever gone as far. Even if I also believe that the idea of "human 
> [universal] rights" in all the abstraction and unreality (and 
> wedded with very real oppression and exploitation) a rights discourse 
> implies, might once upon a time be considered historically 
> progressive ( a term I seldom use) in a very real sense. It is 
> very, very hard to see how a movement towards communism/ 
> anarchism could ever have been born without it. On the other 
> hand, Hardt and (Negri?), judging from the formers reply to 
> Dough, might as well be said to evolving towards a bourgeois 
> humanism Enlightment style. Or so it mig
 ht appear to me. 
> And there are far worse places to go. 
> I am neither convinced that behind the "constiuent power" of 
> Negri we do not precisely find Law (as in Spinoza, for that). 
> Although I could be wrong. 
> 
> Personally I find anti-humanism a blind alley and a potential 
> dangerous path to follow, although I do understand that many 
> on this list sees it as opening up radical avenues. As 
> best, I find it an overkill. To me anti-humanism is no more 
> reasonable than saying farewell to communist thought due 
> to Leninism, even if I might understand why such a reaction 
> takes place. But I really do not understand how others manage 
> to divorce libertarian communist thought from humanism 
> and the capacity and potential of transcendence. 
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> Harald 
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