Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:35:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: benjamin rosenzweig <lumpnboy-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: AUT: Hostile review of Fahrenheit 9/11 from Wildcat (US/UK)


So am I the only one who saw Moore promoting F911 on Letterman? Letterman asked him why he had footage of Iraqi prisoners being abused in US-controlled jails months before it hit the US media and yet didn't release it. Moore replied that he didn't trust the media to handle it fairly and didn't want people to turn against the troops in Iraq.
 
Probably one of the few individuals who could have made this an issue earlier, his concern for the Iraqis the evidence of whose torture he effectively suppressed was invisible.
 
But he was concerned that the US population might 'turn against' US troops in Iraq.
 
Do I really have to point out on this list his racist assumptions concerning the value of human life and what responsibility might mean?
 
This guy and his patriotic bullshit managed to make David Letterman look good.
 
But yeah, blah blah, lot's of people don't like Bush and went to see the film. Maybe they can follow Moore's advice and vote for Kerry. I must up my medication to stop the spasms of adrenaline racing through my body at the thought of that triumph.

Tom Messmer <messmer-AT-endpage.com> wrote:
Far freakin' out man, far freakin out.

On Sun, Aug 01, 2004 at 01:22:19PM -0700, Thomas Seay wrote:
> 
> --- Tom Messmer wrote:
> 
> > Thomas, I sense that you are trying to express
> > something, would you 
> > mind being a little less subtle, I'm not sure if its
> > coming through..
> 
> Sorry about that. I'll try being a little less mellow
> next time. Living in California yourself, you know
> how we californians have the reputation of being
> mellow. I'll pepper my statements from now on.
> 
> Thomas
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > ;)
> > On Jul 31, 2004, at 6:05 PM, Thomas Seay wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > --- chris wright wrote:
> > >
> > >> That was singularly crap. The Left is clearly a
> > >> rotting corpse. A
> > >> stinky one, at that.
> > >>
> > >> I have heard this argument that Moore's portrayal
> > of
> > >
> > > Chris, I could not agree with you more. As you
> > say,
> > > the film has its problems. However, having read
> > the
> > > Wildcat review, you have got to wonder if certain
> > > members of the "Left" dont devour their own
> > off-spring
> > > at birth. Really a more convoluted, paranoid
> > piece of
> > > crap than this review, I cannot imagine.
> > >
> > > It doesnt take a psychologist to realize why the
> > > working class might be sometimes so "patriotic". 
> > If
> > > members of your family are the ones being sent
> > away to
> > > get their ass shot off, you can either go two
> > > ways...either you really hate it with all of your
> > soul
> > > or you have to try and justify it in your own
> > mind. Of
> > > course there is plenty of cultural/media
> > propaganda to
> > > re-enforce the latter response.
> > >
> > > The middle and upper classes have the privlege to
> > sit
> > > back and consider war un-emotionally. The working
> > > classes dont have that privlege. They are going
> > to be
> > > emotional about war one way or another because it
> > is
> > > their sons and daughters being sent off.
> > >
> > > WHO THE FUCK IS THE ASSHOLE WHO WROTE THAT PIECE
> > TO
> > > SAY THAT HE FEELS MORE SYMPATHY WITH THE
> > CONGRESSMEN
> > > WHO WONT SEND THEIR CHILDREN OFF TO WAR. If anyone
> > > knows him, I beg you to tell him that I think he
> > is a
> > > jerk and an asshole. Tell him to go to the zoo and
> > > masturbate in the lion cage.
> > >
> > > Thomas
> > >
> > > Thomas
> > >
> > > ====> > > The real world gives the subset of what is; the
> > product space 
> > > represents the uncertainty of the observer. The
> > product space may 
> > > therefore change if the observer changes; and two
> > observers may 
> > > legitimately use different product spaces within
> > which to record the 
> > > same subset of actual events in some actual thing.
> > The "constraint" is 
> > > thus a relation between observer and thing; the
> > properties of any 
> > > particular constraint will depend on both the real
> > thing and on the 
> > > observer. It follows that a substantial part of
> > the theory of 
> > > organization will be concerned with properties
> > that are not intrinsice 
> > > to the thing but are relational between observer
> > and thing.
> > >
> > > W. Ross Ashby
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
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