Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:20:37 -0400 From: Legba Carrefour <papalegba-AT-gmail.com> Subject: Re: AUT: Fwd: [VT_THEORY] on empire and negri Hey can people who went to the Life After Capitalism conference make some comments about it? I heard this struck a rather different chord from the traditional activist conference. legba On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:20:12 +0200 (CEST), stevphen shukaitis <stevphen-AT-greenpeppermagazine.org> wrote: > i was talking to hardt this weekend after the life after capitalism > conference - and he was making this argument that lenin, if alive, would > support the model of non-hierarchal networked models for organizing on the > basis that the organization of resistance should be consonsant with the > means of production (ie the whole thing about the rise of imaterial labor > and such). my initial response to this was a big "so what? it doesn't > really matter to me whether lenin says" - but after dropping the issue of > lenin, it seemed more intriguing, the relation between organization of > work relations and resistance to them needing to have some degree of > consonance. now such could be taking to ridiculous levels (ie that > resistance to feudalism should have taken the form of the leadership of > counter-feudal lords, or that resistance to slavery would be best > accomplished through alternatuve forms of slavery, etc . . .), but it did > strike me as being somewhat interesting - so I wanted to throw that out > there. > > cheers. > stevphen > > > > > > Nate Holdren wrote: > > > >>Virno talks about the multitude as an ambivalent form, just like the > >>proletariat, and talks about 'postmodern fascism' as being a form the > >>multitude can take in addition to the radical forms Negri identifies. > >>I know Virno and Agamben and others worked on a journal called Luogo > >>Comune (sp?) dedicated, among other things, to exploring postmodern > >>fascism. Bits of the journal are around the net in Spanish, probably > >>in Italian as well. I think points about fascism can be overstated but > >>I think the idea might be helpful for understanding the religious > >>right and fascists in our country, and maybe the Lega Nord in Italy > >>etc. > >> > >>On thing that's often not clear to me is how the term multitude > >>applies (and whether Negri and Virno have different uses of the term) > >>- whether it means 'class in itself' or 'class for itself'. Sometimes > >>one, sometimes the other I think. The new Negri/Hardt is clearer on > >>some of this, but not conclusively to my mind. > >> > >>best, > >>Nate > >> > > > > This rendering of 'the multitude' seems closer to that of Balibar, who > > in _Masses, Classes, Ideas_, _Spinoza and Politics_ and a couple of > > other places tries to rethink Marx's use of 'the proletariat' as a > > 'class for itself' along the lines of Spinoza's concept of the multitude > > as he understands it. In Balibar there doesn't seem to be a multitude > > in itself, only a potentiality existing in forms of subjectivity > > inherent to the diverse practices of domination in class societies. > > Maybe the real issue is a shift in Negri's work on the multitude post > > _The Savage Anomaly_ or even _Insurgencies_? Certainly Balibar, Montag, > > Macherey et al seem to have been much more sympathetic to the 1980s and > > 1990s material than to _Empire_. See, for example, Montag's very > > appreciative comments on Negri in _Bodies, Masses, Power_ and his review > > article on _Insurgencies_ in HM a few years ago. There are also > > discussions of what seems similar to 'postmodern fascism' as you > > describe it in the books of Balibar and Mike Hill that appeared this > > year (i.e., _We, the People of Europe?_ and _After Whiteness_ > > respectively). Thanks for posting the link to the Virno book, I will > > certainly read it when I find time, as what you have said here of it > > sounds very promising. > > > > I hope to publish an interview with Warren Montag (which has already > > appeared in Greek) in the next few months (in the next issue of > > borderlands) that has some critical comments on _Empire_. We will > > certainly publish an interview with Mike Hill in that issue on > > whiteness. Hopefully at some point in the future we will have some > > papers discussing _The Multitude_ if that text generates sufficient > > interest; certainly comparative discussions of that text with that of > > Virno could be interesting. > > > > David > > > > > > > > --- from list aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > > stevphen shukaitis > Guest Editor, "Life Beyond the Market" issue > www.greenpeppermagazine.org > > Greenpepper Magazine > CIA Office > Overtoom 301 > 1054 HW > Amsterdam > The Netherlands > Phone: 31 020 779 4912 > AIM: foucaultisdead > > > > > --- from list aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > -- ::Legba Carrefour::(alsoAIMname] "Papa Legba, ouvri barrič pou nous passer..." "Papa Legba, open the gate so we may pass..." --- from list aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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