From: Tom Messmer <messmer-AT-endpage.com>
Subject: Re: AUT: Fwd: [VT_THEORY] on empire and negri
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:09:34 -0700


what he said.

On Aug 28, 2004, at 9:38 AM, Harald Beyer-Arnesen wrote:

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> << The traditional definitions of fascism all presuppose
> certain chance sociological developments at the molar
> level (macro) that just kinda happen amongst people that
> are somehow also just by chance "bad" or "evil" people....
> all divided and homogenized in their historically fixed
> german, spanish and italian fashions. >>
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> Is that really true? That is not my impression, although
> it might fit some the most simplistic ones. I certainly
> never thought of fascism in those "just kinda happens"
> terms ( apart from tending to distinguish more clearly
> between the nazism in Germany and the fascisms of
> Italy),  while not finding "the fascism in us all" approach
> very satisfying either. I have no particular need or
> desire to go searching for the fascism in the writings
> of Deleuze and Guattari. Although there is much there
> I disagree with, I do not for a moment believe the
> adequate term for it would be micro or molecular
> fascism, even if that is what seem to follow from
> a "fascism in us all" claim.
>         It is in fact hard to see how fascism could exist
> without a Führer. What you can talk about is certain
> cultural, socio-economic, socio-psycological pre-
> conditions ( in dynamic terms) for fascism to at all be
> able to establish itself. But fascism does not exist
> before the fact.
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> Harald
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