From: "Lowe Laclau" <lowelaclau-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: AUT: Marazzi's La Place des Chaussettes
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 07:49:06 -0400
Nate,
Hmmm. Cool. So (if you don't mind... until I have the chance to get over to the British bookstore), what are the novel or more intriguing things proposed or explained?
Thanks,
Lowe
>From: Nate Holdren <nateholdren-AT-gmail.com>
>Reply-To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
>To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>Subject: Re: AUT: Marazzi's La Place des Chaussettes
>Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:09:06 -0700
>
>Hey Steve and everyone-
>I just finished the book. It's good. It doesn't have the shock of the
>new that Empire had for me, but I do think it's quite good. I read
>somewhere that they tried to make Multitude more readable and I think
>it definitely shows. There's some more empirical data as well, though
>not tons of it, and they take pains to say they're talking about
>tendencies rather than accomplished realities (though the book still
>reads as if it were about finished states of affairs).There is a
>remark somewhere (I don't have my copy in front of me to reference)
>something to the effect that 'perhaps the hierarchical nature of the
>Bolshevik organization is why the Bolshevik's ended up recreating the
>state', which from what I've been told is a fairly critical thing for
>Negri to say about Lenin etc. (Of course nowhere near critical enough
>for my own sectarian tastes...)
>Beyond that, I'm still processing. As it comes out elsewhere I'd love
>to hear what others think about it.
>Oli - the edition I have is published by Penguin.
>
>best,
>Nate
>
>On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 07:26:36 +1000, Steve Wright
><pmargin-AT-optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > Nate,
> >
> > keep us posted on the book as you read it (anyone else got a copy?)
> >
> >
> >
> > Nate Holdren wrote:
> >
> > > Lowe-
> > >
> > > I've just moved to a new apartment and the phone and internet don't
> > > work there. While I wait for it to get fixed, I'm stuck using internet
> > > cafes, libraries, and friend's houses. Once the situation is rectified
> > > and I am more fully integrated into the general intellect ;) I'll send
> > > you my list of recent operaismo books in Spanish and the sites I found
> > > them on.
> > >
> > > Multitude is just out here in the US. I'm about half done with it.
> > > It's good. More readable, I think, than _Empire_. _Empire_ was a much
> > > newer set of concepts for me than this book is, though, so I'm finding
> > > reading it I say "hmm, I see" more often than "oh wow!".
> > >
> > > take care,
> > > Nate
> > >
> > > On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 12:23:43 -0400, Lowe Laclau <lowelaclau-AT-hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Nate,
> > > >
> > > > Where are you finding out about these releases in Spanish? Whenever I go to any of the big online bookstore that offer books in spanish I rarely see things worthwhile. And the Spanish bookstores here if I have to order things from them they are terribly expensive.
> > > >
> > > > I'm now in the second chapter of the book, and, as Enda said Marazzi covers a lot of territory that the others have written about so its not at all a slow read. He has though a way of explaining things thats a bit more concrete than Negri ssems to be willing to write.
> > > >
> > > > Ah yes, and today's Wall Street Journal opinion section had a great great review of Multitudes! I find that if I ever want to get hysterically bothered about something I read the WSJ and it does it for me, without fail! The level of "reaction", the cynicism! I didn't really expect it to be any less cynical, but somehow I still managed fool myself into thinking the reviewer might have actually taken the time to read a book thats about 100% anti-WSJ. Has the book come out in the States already?
> > > >
> > > > (and btw I don't actually purchase the WSJ, it just always happens to be left around in the places where I eat lunch!)
> > > >
> > > > ciao
> > > >
> > > > Lowe
> > > >
> > > > >From: Nate Holdren <nateholdren-AT-gmail.com>
> > > >
> > > > >Reply-To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
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> > > > >To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
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> > > > >Subject: Re: AUT: Marazzi's La Place des Chaussettes
> > > >
> > > > >Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:50:25 -0500
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > >Hey Lowe-
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >That book just came out in Spanish. There's actually been a flurry of
> > > >
> > > > >spanish operaismo books published, including Tronti's Operaie e
> > > >
> > > > >capitale (sp?). Spanish reading is a good stopgap for me re:
> > > >
> > > > >operaismo, as I don't know Italian.
> > > >
> > > > > Sadly none of this makes it into English. Someone needs to win the
> > > >
> > > > >lottery and set up a fund for translations. I nominate Steve.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Nate
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> > > >
> > > > >On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:09:33 -0400, Lowe Laclau <lowelaclau-AT-hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Il Posto dei Calzini? This is an earlier book? Not seen it before. Can you or Steve give me a brief synopsys of what it covers? They've also recently published in French 'Et Vogue L'Argent' . But its been out since 2002 in German as Fetisch Geld. From what I understood from the cover of that book it was something along the lines of Doug Henwoods book critiquing 'New Economy' ideology, but I could be wrong. It gives me headaches reading in German. But yes, very little or very slow with producing English translations in these fields. Is there so little interest there? And its not just the Italian, but even a lot of the contemporary French economic and labor related literature I never see in English, nor in Spanish. If I thought there'd be any money in it I'd try doing it myself. Anyhow, thanks.
> > > >
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> > > > > > Ciao
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> > > > > > Lowe
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> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > >From: Enda Brophy <2eob-AT-qlink.queensu.ca>
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> > > > > > >Reply-To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
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> > > > > > >To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
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> > > > > > >Subject: Re: AUT: Marazzi's La Place des Chaussettes
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> > > > > > >Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:23:09 -0700
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> > > > > > >On Thursday, Aug 5, 2004, at 06:31 America/Vancouver, Lowe Laclau
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> > > > > > >wrote:
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> > > > > > >>Just found a copy online of Christian Marazzi's "La Place des
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> > > > > > >>Chaussettes". Its in french, so sorry if you don't read it. Has
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> > > > > > >>anyone here read it?
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> > > > > > >I finally managed to pick it up over in Italy after having read
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> > > > > > >Capitale & Linguaggio (2001) and a few other smaller articles, and
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> > > > > > >I'm most of the way through it at this point. I find him really
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> > > > > > >useful, mainly because his economics gives him a good vantage point
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > > > >through which to evaluate post-Fordist capital. it's funny though -
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> > > > > > >as is often the case with what Bifo refers to as post-operaismo,
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> > > > > > >it's difficult at times to disentangle him from Lazzarato, Virno,
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> > > > > > >Bifo, etc, who tend to riff on each other's ideas quite regularly.
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> > > > > > >What ultimately brings these writers together is their attention to
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> > > > > > >the role of language/communication in composition, but he manages to
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> > > > > > >add his own critique via a more empirical analysis of pension funds,
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> > > > > > >stock ownership, etc.
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> > > > > > >as Steve has suggested elsewhere, Il Posto dei Calzini is certainly
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> > > > > > >a candidate for the top 10 autonomist pieces in need of
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