From: "Harald Beyer-Arnesen" <haraldba-AT-online.no>
Subject: AUT: Re: Re: [AUT] Re: IWW, anarchist groups and state power (was: Chavez)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:11:06 +0100



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From: "andrew robinson" <ldxar1-AT-yahoo.com>
To: <aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:19 PM
Subject: AUT: Re: [AUT] Re: IWW, anarchist groups and state power (was:
Chavez)

Andy ...

1. I was foremost thinking in terms of 'normal' people
with psycolgical problems.

2.  What you refer to as "psycological different' includes
a whole range of differences, as well as small groups
may vat a lot, so it is hard to generalize.
But even in that case, I believe what I said mostly holds
true. Remeber I was referring to larger organizations
structured along anarchist principles; that is it contains
both the smaller entities and a larger context. As such
the protential to get the best of both worlds. It 1)
tends to entail a greater variety of people, experiences
and backgrounds, and 2) a lesser need in practicals for
everybody beeing superactive all the time, and open
more social spaces. Take one example, CNT in Spain has
it faults, but there is also a very long tradition of just
dropping in a chat .. while there almost also some practical
work you can take part in, often as a part of  -- or inter-
mixed with the chatting. Then there also tend to be
a lot more old folks around with a long life experiences
that may make them very good talk with when you
feel down and out.


> "Apart from that, within societies with a high level
> of alienation,
> such small groups are almost bound to -- some times
> for better
> some times for worse, often for both better and worse
> --
> some people with greater or lesser psycological
> problems. This
> often pose less of a challenge within larger
> organizations." (Harald)
>
> That is bullshit on stilts.  The problems posed by
> psychological difference are only exacerbated by
> large-scale, impersonal social forms where
> individuality is lost and where "the rules" are not
> bent or broken to include those who are different.
> Foucault clearly demonstrates that the extension of
> "madness" to more and more people was a function of
> capitalist centralised and large-scale social
> impersonal organisation.
>
> In contrast, on a smaller scale, the psychologically
> different are more likely to be respected and also to
> have bargaining power comparatively speaking, than in
> large organisations.  Social relations can therefore
> operate in a more dialogical way.
>
> Andy
>
>
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