From: Whit Blauvelt <whitfb-AT-dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: "Rave" Not an Effective (or Meaningful) Counter-Culture Movement (fwd)
Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 23:19:19 -0400 (edt)


Kepley, Kepley,

> > > > > "Rave" is about as important > > as "punk", whatever that was. > 
> > > > Hey, punk totally saved music. Sure, it led finally to its heir, Cobain, 
> > > > saying "Woops, I'm not authentic, time to take myself out." But he 
> > > 
> > > If you think that was what was going through his head then you deserve to 
> > > have go through your head what he had go through his. Dig me?
> > 
> > It's what he fucking said in his suicide note. You must think he was just 
> > pretending to think this while he wrote it, and that he was really 
> > thinking, "Wow, cool man, now I'll really be a commodity." 
> 
> It's NOT what he said in his suicide note, and you're an asshole, yeah, 
> an ASSHOLE, for putting words first in MY mouth and then his, and then 
> POSTING your fantasies regarding his last communication. Why don't 

Well shit, my source was a transcription of his wife's reading of the 
note that appeared in a conference on the net (which matches fragments 
I've seen, yes, in the Times).

> you call your good buddies Poneman and Pavitt and have them tell you what 
> was there... I used to recieve SubPop the zine, with the comps that came 
> with it as well- I know those guys put out the SLIVER 7", big deal. I 

The point was, you were insisting I got my music history from the mass 
media. If I wanted to drop names, I could do better than those two. My 
only point was that I know exactly the scene Cobain made it in (up to 4 
years back when I left for NYC), and I know what punk meant to the 
development of that scene - from the perspective of some of the key 
developers of it. You were saying otherwise; I only meant to correct you.

> didn't need to resort to name-dropping (which I can do quite handily, 
> thank you) to make MY point. You admit you didn't know Kurdt, but you 
> interpret "the note" through the filter of what you were told about 
> it on MTV or in the papers; which is actually what the core of this whole 
> argument has been about.

I don't watch MTV. If you know what they would have told me, I guess you 
must have been watching.

You seem to have one circuit in your head, like "Trash everything." I'm 
not putting those words there, mind you, but trash is all that comes out. 
That's not my program. There are some interesting points you touch on, 
despite your teenage bombast, and I thought to draw them out for the 
benefit of those here who, unlike yourself, like to consider stuff beyond 
what you yourself have originated.

Never mind, I'll ignore you and get on with the real discussion.

Whit

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