File spoon-archives/avant-garde.archive/avant-garde_1994/avant.may2.94, message 8


Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 11:21:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tad Kepley <tkepley-AT-bigcat.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: SI
To: avant-garde-AT-world.std.com
Cc: avant-garde-AT-world.std.com




On Thu, 12 May 1994, Tristan Riley wrote:

> Tad Kepley writes:
> >
> >On Thu, 12 May 1994, Mark Evenson wrote:
> >
> >  Isn't it slightly defeatist
> >> to concentrate on the sphere of poetics for transformation at the expense
> >> of the "real" substrate of economics/politics?
> >
> >Resoundingly yes.
> 
> Could one request elaboration on this?  Should one take this as a
> claim that the SI was "resoundingly...defeatist"?  In what sense?  

"concentrate on the sphere of poetics for tranformation" ??!! Maybe we're 
not talking about the same sits, here, guys...

No, one shouldn't take "resoundingly yes" as a claim that the SI was 
"resoundingly...defeatist". You'd better re-read his question.

> 
> > These guys weren't 
> >late-twentieth century self-hating collegians (even though they _did_ write 
> >some pretty stupid stuff about the Newark and LA riots).
> 
> Perhaps more elaboration here on the connection between "self-hating
> collegians" and SI writings on Watts? And why "stupid stuff"? 
> 
> 

Perhaps hyar's yer elaboratin'. Perhaps.

The sits wrote their stuff on those riots from a position of more than 
relative ignorance about the actual conditions in those respective cities 
and America in general (an ignorance that turns up elsewhere in their 
work). They also were tempered with the Frogs' fascination with American 
black folks- a fascination bordering on the racist.

I was drawing an allegory between that stuff and the reams of stupid shit
written by bored PC ivy league undergrads after the recent LA
conflagration...  which is stupid not just cause it's stupid, but because 
it's self-abusive...

Destroy character armor,


Tad "HELP! I'M WHITE!" Kepley


> Tristan
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