Date:         Mon, 24 Apr 95 00:54:57 MEZ
From: Heiko Recktenwald <UZS106-AT-IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>
Subject:      death destruction and detroit


Hi all,

Malgosia said:

>Heiko wrote:
>
>> I don't think, that
>> creation is by nature more destruction than the destruction of nice paint
>> and nice white paper. Maybe this kind of destruction is less a pity with
>> cheap materials, arte povera.
>
>"By nature"?  Is art "by nature"?  It's always, by nature,
>a social/political gesture.  This doesn't mean that the gesture can
>accomplish change, but it does not reduce to a paint/paper equation.

Call it as you like, nature or necessity or whatever... For shure, its a
gesture. You can call it a social/political one, but if you call everything
politics, there will be no politics at all. (And please forgive me my bad
english.)
>
>>>throughout their history; what's emerging now, artworld or not, are new
>>>communities, such as Net communities on email lists, MOOs and MUDs and
>>>even some Usenet groups, which, for the participants, _are_ communities,
>
>> What do you want to say with this ? I see only communities of individuals.

Still an open question.

>> And maybe processes of the devellopement of meaning. A lot of articles on
>> this, at least one with many quotes. Maybe new audiences and spaces for art.

Maybe the article is lame, but I was impressed by it. It was presented in
California, so there might be an english version too. Does anybody know the
"International Sunbelt Social Network Conference (Sunbelt XII)" ? Author is
Joachim R. Hoeflich, the title of his lecture was: Communication technologies,
communication networks, and the diffusion of meaning. A research agenda. I
found it in Communications 17 (1992), 311 - 330.

>> New structures, new arts. In the future. Today, I am rather surprised by
>
>Development of meaning?  New structure and new arts?  But you said it
>was just paint and paper.

Maybe I should brush up my english, but all I wanted to say was, that I don't
see any necessity for creation to be destruction, exept the materials,
that are used, paper paint etc. New ideas, paintings, books, files, moos
are not the destruction of old ones. They are simply added..

And starting with the old anarchists ;-) Peoples waiting for something,
thats already there, at least today, dunno much about russia in the last
century...

Greetings from the Rhine,  Heiko

PS.: Maybe somebody is interested: Cristo will have an "official" website
covering the wrapping of the Reichstag. www.kulturbox.de, next month.
Is Cristo still avantgarde, if he ever was ? How to describe his attitude ?
Playing with the media and with space. Appropriations.


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