Date: Mon, 23 Dec 96 09:45 PST From: solipsis-AT-hevanet.com (Jeremiah.......the Silex) Subject: Re: thinking outside of language >>>The problem here is this definition of language >> >>Recently heard a Chomsky lecture in which he speculated: >>"We cannot dismiss the possibility that a future science of mind may dispense >>with the concept 'language' altogether." >> >Two things are being confused here, the first is perception and cognition, >the second is thought and representation. The problem is not how one >defines language but which functions of are its domain. Well Done.. Though I would suggest to you that this "new" Science already exists, and was designated [PRAGMATICS] BY Deleuze and Guattari. See "Postulates of Linguistics" in A Thousand Plateaus... or the subsection entitled "There are Constants or Universals of Language that enable us to define It as a Homogenous System" Now I would suggest an introduction to Alfred Korzybski for those following this thread at: http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~rsauzier/Korzybski.html and for a lark try Croyley's Tao Teh King at: http://www.intac.com/~dimitri/dh/tao-te-king.html Here are some other related subjects: Nonlinear dynamics, solitons, optical and solid state physics, biomolecular dynamics, stochastic systems. Derivation of non-linear partial differential equations from water wave theory, optics, solid state physics and molecular dynamics. Balance between nonlinearity and dispersion. Solitary waves and solitons, non-linear interaction, decomposition into solitons and radiation, conservation theorems. Technological applications of solitons. Analytical and numerical solution methods. Generalized separation of variables. B=E4cklund-transformation inverse Scattering Tecniques perturbation theory and similarity solutions. Spatio-temporal competition between order and chaos. or go here: http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/solitons/ oceanic solitons: http://www.jhuapl.edu/symposium/3rd_RandD/Soliton.htm Evolution of Randomly Perturbed Korteweg-de Vries Solitons http://www.imm.dtu.dk/documents/users/mps/abstracts/KdV Then begin to shade in the Information Theory: at: An Information Theory Approach to Incoherent Information Processing Systems http://ocswebhost.colorado.edu/isl/papers/info/paper.html Some interesting gropings at: http://www.krl.caltech.edu/~brown/news/info-theory-html/ Articles on Information Theory by Jon Barwise http://www.phil.indiana.edu/~barwise/kjbartit.html Now perhaps we move on to the Systems theory Component: A good place to start is the Pricipia Cybernetica: http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be//systheor.html and flounder off in that direction: http://www.math.utwente.nl/disc/sc/sc.html here's something: Systems Inquiry Primer Project By Charles Francois Who Knows What General Systems Theory Is? In my opinion General Systems Theory does not really exist as a unified theory. Claims to the contrary seem to harm our credibility. "Systems Science(s)" is also a dubious trademark. Everyone understands it and defines it in her/his own way. Nobody seems to be able to offer a coherant and all embracing view of what it is (with the possible exception of Jean Louis Lemoigne in France, whose ideas would deserve to be considered in an international symposium)' Curiously enough, this disarray somewhat reminds me of the famous Indian tale about the elephant and the five blind men...which ironically has precisely been proposed as a metaphor for the need of a systemic vision. However, there is undoubtly a systemic-cybernetic vision ("Weltanschauung") which includes: -A conceptual frame: - A systemic ontology and epistemology; -General Semantics; -Constructivism; -The controllled uses of metaphors, analogies and isomorphies. - The general study and understanding of complexity -A general taxonomy of systems -An open set of transdiscliplinary concepts related to complexity; Aura,Autogenesis, Autonomy, Autopoiesis, Boundary, Chaos, Codification, Communication, Constraint, Control, \Dissipative structuration, Emergence, Environment, Explosive process, Hierarchy, Heterarchy, Homeostasis, Implosion Process, Information, Invironment, Metasystem, Morphogenesis, Morphostatis, Network, Neural organization, Organizational closure, Percolation, Regulation, Self-reference, Self-similarity, Simultaneity, Stress, Synergy, Uncompleteness, Variety, Whole... and surely some more. A methdology of models derived from these concepts: - Controlllers, -Feedbacks, - Homeostat, - Hypercycle, - Learning matrixes, - Markovian Matrixes, -Metamodelling, - Neural networks, etc. A number of more or less interconnected qualitative mathematical formalisms: -Analysis of reconstructibility (Klir), - Automate (Turing, von -Neuman, Conway), -Calculus of indications (Spencer Brown,), -Catastrophes (Thom, Zeeman). -Deterministic Chaos (Lorenz, Smale, et al.), - Fractals (Mandelbrot), - Fuzzy sets (Zadeh), -Games, Graphs, Groups, etc... A number of specific applications: - Expert systems, -Servo-mechanisms, -Simulation techniques, -Systems dynamics, etc... - ...and, indirectly, a number of more specific disciplines: -Artificial intelligence, -Artificial Life, -Bionics, -Informatics, -Operational reserach, -Robotics, etc... In short, an enormous trove, totally or partially unknown, even by the systemists themselves. By Charles Francois Now, when and how these interrelated Cathexes arc to A-G... Ring ring ... Zero. --- from list avant-garde-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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