File spoon-archives/avant-garde.archive/avant-garde_1997/97-01-27.165, message 93


Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 02:20:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Ruth Liberman <rql1220-AT-is2.nyu.edu>
Subject: Re: Is elaboration passe'?





On Thu, 26 Dec 1996, Ostrow/Kaneda wrote:

> >>  >>>>>>>>>>natural => not human, what??
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>what you believe it to be.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>Short answers abstract.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>Is truth a matter of belief?
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>"Both belief and denial throw existence into question."
> >> > >>>>>>>>                 --Carla Harryman, "Toy Boats"
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>So truth wouuld have something to do with the >affirmation of
> >> existence?
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>"If you don't know, why do you ask?" --David Tudor
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>If one does not ask how are they to know?
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>. . .what reply does one make to someone who says: "I believe it
> >> merely
> >> > >>>>>>strikes you as if you knew it?" --Ludwig Wittgenstein
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>Yet we know that there are things that can be said that are
> >> non-sensical,
> >> > >>>>>>might not truth therefor only exist in the realm of the >sensical,
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>"A belief may be a necessary condition of life and still be false."
> >> > >>>>>--Nietzsche
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>Metamorphosis (sublimation and symbolization) consists, for each thing,
> >> in
> >> > >>>>the liberation of an aliquid which is the noematic attribute and that
> >> which
> >> > >>>>can noetically be expressed, eternal truth, and sense which hovers over
> >> > >>bodies.
> >> > >>>>--Gilles Deleuze
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>To whom are you intelligible and where does it get you?
> >> > >>>>           --Laura Moriarty
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>Paradigmatic shifts  make what was once thought to be false become
> >> > >>>>intelligible, yet there are those things that are patently true and
> >> those
> >> > >>>>things that are obviously false, which remain uneffected by such
> >> changes,
> >> > >>>>therefor the eternal is not a condition of truth but of belief and
> >> neither
> >> > >>>>are necessary for communication given the false is as equally
> >> comprehended
> >> > >>>>asits other.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>Pragmatics as Free Jazz. Example: Alternative splicing of human tyrosine
> >> > >>>hydroxylase (TH) pre-mRNA produces four mRNAs leading (nowhere); "Fron's
> >> > >>>Forehead Music-Box and today, AND TODAY...." /to four different TH
> >> isoforms
> >> > >>>and is thought to have important regulatory functions. We show that the
> >> > >>>(void)/ "Inside Are Viennese Hardstone Swans With ShiShi's golden
> >> > >>>Snuff-Box...
> >> > >>
> >> > >>A. Language is descriptive, conventionalized as well
> >> > >>B. Convention is completely anti-entropic (hang on Ann...)
> >> > >>C. Reality is entropic
> >> > >>D. Language and its purpose are in irreperable conflict...
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Language is a losing battle; besides, where does truth lie in a system
> >> that
> >> > >>is historically determined, fraught with the ideology of a ruling class-
> >> > >>
> >> > >>LANGUAGE, as are all conventionalized forms, IS A BOURGEIOSE PROPAGANDA
> >> TOOL
> >> > >>
> >> > >>        truth therefore, serves only those who it serves best; my ego
> >> requires
> >> > >>        that I be right, else............................what?
> >> > >
> >> > >If we keep this thing going long enough the top will resemble a kind of
> >> > >Hound's tooth
> >> > >jacket>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Is there something wrong with hounds truth?
> >>
> >> Truth is a burning museum.   /:b
> >>
> >> "What you don't know can hurt other people."
> >>                   -- Ted Berrigan
> >I don't know Ted Berrigan
> 
> The pentagon papers, if that means nothing to you, just write it off to a
> generational thing.  Other wise its historical   amnesia which and that  is
> something thatmay in the long run be harmful to your health. Beyond that he
> was a 60's role model to some.  A radical in sheeps clothing.  An insider
> who did the right thing.
> 
What I really want to know is, did I hurt you?



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