Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: the H&H manifesto On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, malgosia askanas wrote: > > OK, but I want to make a comment that is not closely dependent on the historical > specifics. In your explanation above, you are using "artistic" and "political" > as if they had fixed meanings. What is to you a "political" statement, and why > is the H&H manifesto _not_ a political statement? Its not so much a matter of what these words mean to me, but what they refer to in reality, if I can put it that way. An artistic statement is something that has meaning in the artistic world. This world has real social and historical existence. It defines a whole mode of living and working. Not just anybody can say or do anything and call it art. An act will be recognized as artistic only if it obeys conditions that are recognized by the actually existing (and historically changing) community of artists, critics, curators and so on. The same is true of politics. There is a world of politics that consists of a set of existing agents (e.g., parties) who define what that world is and what legitimate (or as I was saying "serious") political action is. For example, the dichotomy between left and right is a current artifact of this social world and any action will necessarily be aligned by it, or perhaps seen as an attempt to overthrow it (so far such attempts to develop a "third position" have been unsuccessful). The world of politics and the world of art are separate from one another. The attempt to make an artistic statement within the political world will simply not be heard or will be seen as absurd or will be reinterpreted and used for poltical ends. I hope this is more or less clear. With this approach I am following (or trying to follow) my "intellectual hero" the French sociologist Pierre Bourdieu. His book the Rules of Art is very intersting, though a difficult read for the nonspecialist. Also, I use the term "anti-art" > _always_ in the sense of an artistic position -- so in my usage, it always refers > to attempts to demolish, from inside art, the conceptual framework that governs > the established social understanding of the term "art". Agreed. Perhaps it is better to say that its paradoxical. But driven to its ultimate conclusion the effort to destroy art from inside art becomes self-annhilating doesn't it? Maybe it boils down to what "destroying art" means. The avant-garde performs a progressive function when it seeks to demystify art by destroying what commonly stands for art. For example, attacking the official "cult of art" that removes art from life and places it on a pedestal in the musuem, when its real and true message is that it (art) is a way of living and experiencing the world. In this connection, I would say that the Dadaists made really great art! I love the sound poetry etc. It's certainly changed my life! cheers, George ----------------------------------------------------------------------- George Free Toronto, Canada aw570-AT-torfree.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --- from list avant-garde-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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