From: Thivai4062-AT-aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:36:43 EDT
Subject: Re: Avant-Garde ???


Hi,

This is addressed to Kristoffer.  Sorry but it seems my cut and paste is not
working to well so I'm going to try to recreate your qoutes..  If i screw
anything up--be sure to lambaste my ass!

>I think it rather a funny forum this, the bourgeouis discussing the fall of
the bourgeouis, the theorist discussing the transcendence of the theory they
themselves are sustaining.>

Yes it is always good to attack a list servs membership for who and what you
believe them to be and then neglect to state who you believe you may be and
why you feel so superior?

>Subversion dos {sp} not equal confrontation.>

Well maybe not--but it may also bring results where in-your-fucking-face
tactics wouldnt!

>the goal of art does not have to be revolution {sp}, for it to cause one>

Name one piece of art that caused a revolution--besides the masterpieces of
Jacques-Louis David who incited the French revolutionaries (and invited
disaster) I'm at a lost for art that has caused a revolution--maybe a series
of works that led to shifts in societal attitudes or conceptions of reality,
but for a *piece* of art to cause a revolution?  But then we have long heard
the claims "art for art's sake", and that should be the goal of all art, but
that doesnt still justify your statement--even david was creating his art for
another reason.

After that Kristoffer you started to lose your spelling/grammar skills.  I
understood your criticism of absolute theoretical/political systems that
sought to impose their values upon artistic creations--but you leave out (or
ignore) those who actively use their critical/theoretical thinking to help
expand the possibilities of artistic understanding.  Once again my interests
are in literature so I will give examples in my field-- Raymond Federman,
Ronald Sukenick, Lance Olsen, Larry McCaffery, and Mark Amerika.

I will refrain from commenting on the latter parts of your post--they have
ideas attempting to push pass the germinal stage--but your obvious incoherence
and incompetence is just to much to stomach.

But thanks anyways Kristoffer--because I am happy to know you are leading a
life somewhere else.

Peace friend,

Thivai


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