File spoon-archives/avant-garde.archive/avant-garde_2000/avant-garde.0004, message 53


Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:53:16 -0500
From: Bill Spornitz <spornitz-AT-pangea.ca>
Subject: Re: Digitalisation of things.


Sorry - I should be clearer - we must take ownership of the concepts 
that we are led around by - maybe it's just *semantics*  - bla bla 
bla -

but
==>
*your* networking == *my* marketing
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I don't care if you live in a society that is so *over-marketed* that 
you must run at all costs and at high speed from concepts that you 
see as *theirs*...

I'm talking market socialism, market anarchy, market art-weenie-ism - 
whatever - just get used to the idea that it's All a big Marketplace 
and you'll find more targets for your *dissemination*  (gotta find a 
less-male word than that one  ;-)


b

ps and you gotta make fun of their marketing at any chance you get (imho!)

At 10:53 AM -0600 4/11/00, mIEKAL aND wrote:
>as a 20+ year veteran of networking a tremendous amount of arts are 
>disseminated
>despite marketing, by person to person contact & creating work that is
>uncompromised by the throes of market capitalism....
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>>  As a 20+ year veteran of the music *industry* I'll tell you => it's
>>  all marketing. Ever heard of Evan Parker (British saxophonist - quite
>>  outside at times)? Sun Rah? Well, that's marketing.  How else would
>>  you have heard of them?
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>>  You are a *25yr old post-modern*, an improvisor? - that's marketing...
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>>  b
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>>  At 11:48 PM +1000 4/11/00, Christian McBride wrote:
>>  >***Warning sujective analogy following***
>>  >what happened to improvising?
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>>  >why is an 'avant-guard' list concerned with marketing?
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>>  >why doesnt '.com' mean www.challenging.content.com :technology is soo
>>  >overated. by cultural theorists and those out for a quick dollar.
>>  >technology is not an end in itself and i remain bored (in the i'm a 25yr
>>  >old post-modern way) with everything i see online.
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>>  >i have studied my instrument for 12 yrs and have no career in
>>  >recording...for me this is secondary to performance with an audience and
>>  >improvising with other people/machines etc.  the recording process is
>>  >interesting for me for the period i am involved in it.
>>  >
>>  >cmb
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>>  >At 09:19 11/04/00 -0700, edatkeson-AT-earthlink.net wrote:
>>  >>Heiko:
>>  >>>>>  Music, hmmm, you can still sell things, CDs, books. My advice to the
>>  >>recording industry: make your CDs more beautifull. As a thing, that
>>  >>people want to have, even when the copy sounds the same.
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>>  >>The music has been connected with an object, with a sleeve, photos of
>>  >>celebs, cool design. We will maybe find out now how important that is.
>>  >>
>>  >>As the ease of copying and fidelity of the copy increase, there's a
>>  >>threshold, no? a point where there will be a disturbance in a very old
>>  >>business model.
>>  >>best,
>>  >>Ed A
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