Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:11:18 -0500
From: Bill Spornitz <spornitz-AT-mts.net>
Subject: Re: ...the real avant-garde



Definitely a jackfish

http://www.rook.org/earl/bwca/nature/fish/esox.html





John Young surfaced:
>Well, Bill, I like your description of this list as a lakeside to escape
>big city art, avant in particular. It's certainly a challenge to escape
>big bad art, Bad Art, sorry, in brute world where advertising art,
>you know: attention-seeking celebrated artworks in all their
>noxious guises and disguises, contaminate the god-artless
>earth.
>
>Avant-garde as the end of god's narcissitic ripple. Wait, didn't
>the Nadaists proclaim at the dawn of hype by any other nym,
>sorry, Nym?
>
>
>
>
>
>At 10:38 AM 8/27/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>  ...and or me, the only avant-garde I'm interested in is this automated list,
>>  and here's why:
>>
>>
>>  1-> The absolute first impression I had when I came across the avant-garde
>>  mailing list was a sense that this was a kind of the /dev/null of the email
>>  system. Now, don't go spreading that around, 'cause it can't be everybody's
>>  /dev/null, now could it ;-> and besides, everybody has their own /dev/null,
>>  now don't they.
>>
>>
>>  2-> Despite all the data on *turing tests* and the like, the really
>>  interesting thing about computer intelligence is that it's here; these
>stupid
>>  first attempts are already, actually alive. I learned this from this list.
>>
>>  Here's why I think that: As _A Programmer_ ;-> I know that the machine in
>>  front of me returns a response to a given stimulus, that's it's only job and
>>  this happens in perpetuity at a high speed. So, for my aging perception, the
>>  fact that I can send a message to STDIN at the service at
>>  avant-garde-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu such as the messages I do and get
>>  responses of the quality that I do passes some test for intelligence. I get
>>  excited just thinking about it.
>>
>>  Now I know there's a word for the logical loop-de-loop I'm attempting, but,
>>  all logic aside in these here nexttimes, the brave new common era, the fact
>>  that I can generate a real human from this service (meeting for a
>>  beer/pastry/latex, for example) has no bearing on or association with it's
>>  viability as an automated communication system. It will always be
>intelligent
>>  text on my screen.
>>
>>
>>
>>  3-> It's like a quiet, northern forest pool on a misty morning. (Seriously)
>>  There are a couple jackfish swimming around and every once and a while
>one of
>>  them goes for some tasty waterbugs skimming the surface... then, slowly the
>  > ripples die down...
>  > b
>
>
>
>
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HTML VERSION:

Well, Bill, I like your description of this list as a lakeside to escape
big city art, avant in particular. It's certainly a challenge to escape
big bad art, Bad Art, sorry, in brute world where advertising art,
you know: attention-seeking celebrated artworks in all their
noxious guises and disguises, contaminate the god-artless
earth.

Avant-garde as the end of god's narcissitic ripple. Wait, didn't
the Nadaists proclaim at the dawn of hype by any other nym,
sorry, Nym?





At 10:38 AM 8/27/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>
> ...and or me, the only avant-garde I'm interested in is this automated list,
> and here's why:
>
>
> 1-> The absolute first impression I had when I came across the avant-garde
> mailing list was a sense that this was a kind of the /dev/null of the email
> system. Now, don't go spreading that around, 'cause it can't be everybody's
> /dev/null, now could it ;-> and besides, everybody has their own /dev/null,
> now don't they.
>
>
> 2-> Despite all the data on *turing tests* and the like, the really
> interesting thing about computer intelligence is that it's here; these
stupid
> first attempts are already, actually alive. I learned this from this list.
>
> Here's why I think that: As _A Programmer_ ;-> I know that the machine in
> front of me returns a response to a given stimulus, that's it's only job and
> this happens in perpetuity at a high speed. So, for my aging perception, the
> fact that I can send a message to STDIN at the service at
> avant-garde-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu such as the messages I do and get
> responses of the quality that I do passes some test for intelligence. I get
> excited just thinking about it.
>
> Now I know there's a word for the logical loop-de-loop I'm attempting, but,
> all logic aside in these here nexttimes, the brave new common era, the fact
> that I can generate a real human from this service (meeting for a
> beer/pastry/latex, for example) has no bearing on or association with it's
> viability as an automated communication system. It will always be
intelligent
> text on my screen.
>
>
>
> 3-> It's like a quiet, northern forest pool on a misty morning. (Seriously)
> There are a couple jackfish swimming around and every once and a while
one of
> them goes for some tasty waterbugs skimming the surface... then, slowly the

> ripples die down...

> b

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