File spoon-archives/avant-garde.archive/avant-garde_2004/avant-garde.0403, message 23


Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:28:41 -0600
Subject: Re: the new avant-garde BETA
From: Ann Klefstad <klefkal-AT-cpinternet.com>


And goodness, what a lovely page (artrift)--did take a while to load on my
dialup connection, but well worth it. Very different kinds of content--I'm
trying to reach the broadest of audiences, and develop a group of writers
across media--and I'm working for someone, not just myself. So things are
pretty concrete. But in the archives of mnartists you'll find some
interesting anomalous clips and bits, from Cellini to Hugo Ball--

Funny, I've been reading Miller again too.

AK

On 3/14/04 6:14 PM, "Rick Visser" <rick.visser-AT-greenspeedisp.net> wrote:

> Ann -  I have printed out both articles and will respond to them as soon
> as I can.
> 
> Rick Visser
> www.artrift.blog-city.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-avant-garde-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
> [mailto:owner-avant-garde-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU] On Behalf Of Ann
> Klefstad
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 3:33 PM
> To: avant-garde-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> Subject: Re: the new avant-garde BETA
> 
> Will someone read the 2 articles I mentioned before ("Playing on the
> Barricades" and "Choices: On Art and Politics", on mnartists.org,
> --scroll
> down to "Articles--" etc.) They're written for a very general
> readership,
> but are attempting to bring some of this stuff to bear on notions of
> artmaking. . . .
> AK
> 
> On 3/14/04 12:40 PM, "David Westling" <dwestling-AT-sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Bill Spornitz, Canadian:
>> 
>>> Actually the Canuckistani Peso is doing a lot better these days ;->
>>> 
>>> I don't mean to cause offense, and I understand how, without
>>> consulting the link, my reply would be a little confusing, but this
> is
>>> what I'm on about:
>>> 
>>> it's a trend - life in the US gets worse, and life around the globe
>>> gets worse because of it, and the US punditry nets are full of very
>>> smart people in full conversation madly trying to avoid the
> questions:
>>> how did this happen, what are we going to do when he's re-elected and
>>> how can we take responsibility for this, seriously?
>>> 
>>> Now, I know yours was a harmless art conversation, and I apologize
> for
>>> interrupting, it's just a little frustrating, that's all.
>>> 
>>> -b
>>> 
>>> ps - gay mariage? It's the land of the free and the home of the
> brave,
>>> isn't it? - that pretty much describes those couples and officials
>>> that are making it happen in the States... up here it's just normal
>>> for legislators and jurists to respect our Charter of Rights and
>>> Freedoms, down there it's par-for-the-course for them to f*ck with
>>> such esteemed artifacts of democracy...
>> 
>> No doubt Spornitz is already amassing his army North of the Border to
>> prevent W. from carrrying out his nefarious plan to end democracy in
>> the USA...while we ineffectual artistes are carrying on our harmless
>> art converation blithely unaware of the dangers.
>> 
>> There are those of us who believe that art is more than just
>> beautifying living rooms and city parks.  To be specific, the
>> interwining of art and politics dictates that artists might do better
>> to  eschew a direct frontal approach to the problems of our day in
>> favor of focusing on the basic philosophical presuppositions that make
>> everything go.  Merely discussing politics at the tip-of-the-iceberg
>> level is not going to do much good.  One might do better to ask
>> questions that address the underlying problem, such as:  What is the
>> relationship between political liberalism and autonomy?  The Liberal
>> assumes that this relationship is without serious conflict, but it's
>> just not the case.  Believeing in the notion of the greatest good for
>> the greatest number commits one to a certain subservient status in
>> relation to the society as a whole.  The US's winner-take-all
> political
>> system encourages that mental state of just going along with the
>> program even more than other democracies do.  We are now a nation of
>> underlings...the manufacture of consent is a resounding success, and
> it
>> is my opinion that for any real change to happen something must happen
>> at the level of the individual that ameliorates the dynamic which I
>> have spoken of.  I assure you, art has the capacity to engage reality
>> at this level, and having an approach separate from politics as such
> is
>> important to keep these issues untainted by the pitfalls that appear
>> when a strictly political approach is used.
>> 
>> David Westling
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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