Subject: Re: El momento [D]e-lu(cid)-zas! - "On Nietzsche" - "...
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 11:41:15 EST


...or where 'ashes gain chances' - (as "es gibt") and  hinged to
'alterit[y]' 'a'-roused.  Is that how Curtis Clark [Sun, 4, Jan 98] shows
the mists from the "giving withholding" of a language pain/ting)ed by a
speaker, yet (somehow) as a cascade of a 'shudder-producing things" met
in that "(i)" that 'notes' 'reach' from 'aches'? How can 'talk' still
'cure',  like hams-strung-up, or strings pulled as a  me('a')ting(ed) 
from a _demande d'amour_ in  _malediction consentie_? As matrixal gaze?
(sea's way below, and see below too).

Writhing on those "wild reference chase[s] and all", and along with your
'refered to the wrong person" mention, Ariosto,  [Mon, 5 Jan 98], a few
(o)t/her(e)  notes reach from aches in the 'double-dipped' "dip back to
Nietzsche" of  your [Sun 4 Jan] posts. 

Without a doubt, these latest scratches "await[ ] an ear pressed against
the other side" (Bataille) - changing not-a-hinge from how things stood
or fell _before_ us, as far back as the Gracian-Gongora posts, or the
Twombly tumbles braille-script-  -scrawled _before_ il Tosco. Yet
h/ear-Ye, as  t/here-Ye, an (o)t/her(e)-y/[e(ar)]
fight-Fort(ing)-Da-dog-goner of a subject shows its face, kneaded-deep in
the "shit" of those "distinct gap[s]...opening before us, and which
constitutes our own anarchic idiom." [df803 Sun 4 Jan 98, 17:58]. What
sculpture! What idiom-its! [laughter].

So, _before_ I string you -- "serpiente mal nacida! / Oh ponzonosa
vibora, escondida / de verde prado  en oloroso seno!" (perfidious snake!
/ O venomous viper hiding in / a green field's fragrant _LAP_!" [Gongora,
_Shorter Poems_, XXX, my  emphasis and capitalizing] -- hams strung-up
and strings pulled, lets visit Quevedo on Seneca, on (and off)  love, on
Job (yeh, that's right Job), and, as we stroll, (or run for references),
may we enjoy this  "palacio del entendimento" which your dearer Gracian
grafts within his _Criticon_. ( And your Felisinda, will s/he come
along?)

Yet, it is to Levinas that I turn. And to 'obsession', which you tucked
within  your [Sun 4 Jan, 14:12] post up against Blanchot as that which
"read[s] away from [me]".  Yeh!, _Faraway so Close_. Maybe in _your_
"wrong person mention" (Jimenez for Salinas) one may jump start this
thread of that unending process of self-loss and self-recovery - which in
Levinas, (in A. T. Peperzak, ed., _Ethics as First Philosophy_, 1995), is
the "obsession-I" (obsession-Identity) of "contamination/conversion"
pitted against what would, between lips savouring {a-mor-'a'-can} date,
count as what "turns us beyond consciousness, crosses all conscious order
and quietly gives witness to freedom and responsibilty outside of
conscious spontaneity, commitment and normativity". (_idem_., 33).  All
in a sweet date!? Yes, if and when tasted by the other. Savour savouring
savoured. (Slip-thread: had Quevedo found and then lost this in his views
on love?) Listen: "Doctas sirenas en veneno tirio / con tus labios
pronuncian melodia" ('Learned sirens in Tyrian poison sing a song with
your lips', # 484). Oh! Lisi! But recall his renunciation of love in the
_Heraclitio cristiano_, and interesting to note that this second crisis
happened in the year (1613) when he left for Sicily as secretary for the
Duke of Osuna. Damn/blessed Sicily! [laughter]. (check out: _Francisco de
Quevedo, Love Poet_, D. G. Walters, Univ. of Wales, 1985). More running,
more _Suenos_. May your bewilderment never leave room for tiredness!, to
twist a bit a Quevedian line from _El mundo por de dentro_, (164), and
meeting your stoic signing off [df803 Thu 1 Jan 98] "may the worst
calamities invigorate your life in this new year,". Now your talk'in
Lucio Anneo Seneca. Speaking of Stoic, Quevedo's brand, as Bataille's, 
is double-dipped in the Job of old.  Recall Quevedo's "nuestro Seneca"
and even "nuestro santo"! (hey, here's another freakin reference:
_Francisco de Quevedo and The Neostoic Movement_, H. Ettinghausen,
Oxford, 1972, with a bibliography to die for in relation to your
'Baroque-Stoic tradition-Quevedo' question governing your re-search.
[df803 Wed 31 Dec 97]. Take that!

But, back to Levinas. Somewhere, I believe through a Don post,  (hey,
Don!, now what the hell is he up too....?) there was a mention of 
"transcendence implied" which a "finer risk" or "greater danger" is
folded over in not  _disallow[ing]" _ it.  (is that right Don?). Yeh,
Sure. Now, read this: "Rather we face the transcendence of an unreachable
Other whose call or covenant is already in effect out recognition of
ourselves, a call or covenant that does not constitute an a priori
element in our identity but rather interrupts our identity in giving
identity, a proximity that obesses us in holding us to something
impossible for us, one that sets us apart from ourselves and from _our_
history and gives another impossible history in which we are without
initiative and in which we are always beginning in loss before
proximity." (Scott in Peperzak, _Ethics as First Philosophy_, 27).
Ariosto, is this the "reading away from [one]"? If so, and in belonging
to the other proximity, we, reeling, respond to that cry or call always
already _before_ them. Notice this lately? Levinas does state that
"Obession is irreducible to consciousness even if it overwhelms it"
(_Autrement qu'etre  ou au-dela de l'essence_, 128, _OB_,  101, see also
_OB_, 176 and 93)  for a stoic throw back of sorted apples/ap/pealed.
Where's  Raphael;.. by the wings? Rats!,  "transcendence to the point of
absence" - thus _Adieu, a dieu, a-Dieu_, -- (see Levinas, _Collected
Philosophical Papers_, 166) -- "A Story of Rats" even, and let me tell
you, "..."they're enormous rats"." (Bataille, _The Impossible_, 37).
[laughter]. 

So enormous that capitalizations merely slip upon the ecomony of their
script, enjoying instead the loss in the surplus - "shared slime" - of
our "obliterat[ion]...in the absence  of animal limits." (Bataille, _ON,
98).  Could this be your (Ariosto) tug upon the hemp ropes of "obession"?
"Obsession is a responsibility without choice, a communication without
phrases [does that include 'phrase regimens'?] or words." (Levinas,
_idem_., 120). Or how's about them short sessions, so short that they
'take the words right out of your mouth'...., and there's Lacan  re-turn.
(see, P. Guyomard, _La jouissance du tragique, Antigone, Lacan et le
desir de l'analyste_, Aubier 1992,
p. 80-86). (saw-ed from 'a'-"boveda" and crypt-scripted. See?). 

		"Mas no cabras alla, que pues ha tanto
		 que comes de ti mesmo y no te acabas,
		 mayor debes de ser que el mismo infierno."
		 (But you won't fit; for you
		 have eaten of yourself so much
		 you must be larger now than even hell).

				(Gongora, _idem_., XXX)
placenta--/l/ate,
don't be tardy,

entre chien et loup dans
lalangue trespasses,
Lucio