Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 03:17:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Marsha Faizi <mfaizi-AT-rbnet.com>
Subject: Re: city of poets: =?iso-8859-1?Q?stupidit=E9?=


Jean Eggplant Dragon wrote:

>Well did you finish you highscholl diploma or is it you parents that taught
>you to think so bad?

I will not defend myself for the likes of you, Sir Eggplant. What provoked
you from your two year coma? My lack of education and my parentage?

>Vous parlez comme si cette liste vous appartenait... Sachez que j'y
>participais bien avant que votre sombre nom n'y apparaisse...

You presume my ignorance while you proceed to speak to me in French. I
cannot decipher French, though I have heard it spoken often. English is the
language of commerce. Come off your high horse. If I could speak French, I
would do it. You know English. Speak it. Your hypocrisy does not impress me.

>>Come on. Light it up. You want to throw a grenade? I can teach you. It's easy.
>
>	Une liste n'est pas une fantaisie mais bien un lieu de discussion
>et d'échange qui dmeurent dans les limites de l'intitulée, soit Georges
>Bataille.

Speak English. You will have to speak it in order for me to understand. Do
you want me to start reciting Urdu? Ki allay? Ludi cherkee. Ludi dum, ghunda
lurka.

>>God, please don't start with the "This is this and that is that" routine.
>>Loosen up. Enjoy yourself. This list is your fantasy.
>
>	Pourquoi croyez-vous que cela devient une routine ence qui vous
>concerne? Probablement parce que vous ne parvenez pas =E0 obtenir le niveau
>de rigueur et d'honn=EAteté intellectuelle des sujets que vous ne parvenez
>pas m=EAme =E0 aborder, pire que vous polluez par pure impuissance! C'est
>tellement plus facile de s'exhiber béatement alors que l'auteur, ici
>Bataille, demanderait peut-=EAtre un peu plus d'efforts soutenus! Au lieu
>d'utiliser la liste, vous devriez vous créer un lieu de discussion propre =E0
>vos élucubrations. Mais il est déj=E0 trop tard de toute fa=E7on et je perds
>mon temps avec de l'imbécilité. Il n'y a que les imbéciles pour ne pas
>comprendre les enjeux ici.
>
>>
>>Al otro lado, already. Get with the beat, Anglo.
>>
>>Shaheena Faizi
>
>___________________________
>
>This happened to have serious people who once (you will excuse my lack of
>English, I am french) has real interest in Georges Bataille. We also could
>read their work and answer true questions.

Honestly, I have no true interest in Bataille. I think that he was a decent
human being. I think that he struggled. To that extent, I respect him.
Nothing  beyond that. He was a romanticist, not a serious philosopher. There
were no serious French philosophers. Only romanticists.

I loved Artaud when I was a child. Not beyond that.

>>Mr. Bataille was a librarian with a few friends in high places. His daddy
>>had the syphillis and his mama was none too bright either. The boy had to be
>>a surrealist. No other choice. Dada and Surrealism saved his life.
>
>	Nothing less sure about Dada and Surréalisme... Read the O.C. 1 and
>2. It will change your opinion.

Bataille was an artist, Jean. Yes, he contributed greatly to surrealism and
Dada. How else do you think that I can say that these things saved his life?
Because he contributed to Dada and Surrealism, his life was saved. Do you
think that he was a great businessman? He married two or three times. Had a
couple of lovers in between. Did he once ever marry for reasons of business?
Certainly, he could have done that. But he did not. He married for love and
he loved for love.
He was that child-like.

I cannot see how you are going to intellectualize this. Bataille was not an
academic. He was an artist. Nothing more and nothing less. An artist is
limited. He is limited by emotion and desire--attachments to a material
world. By his attachments, an artist remains a child who cannot be pacified.
An artist is someone who does not belong in this harsh world of commerce but
who is here anyway. He wants to be pacified but he cannot be pacified.

A true philosopher is one who realizes that he cannot be pacified and ceases
to demand that pacification. Not an easy way. Kirkegaard achieved this and
Nietzsche. No Frenchman ever did. Indeed, France is a producer of artists
but it has never produced a philospher--that animal that can stand on its
own two feet of its own accord and by its own will. 

>	Bataille wrote nearly 30 books and some are among the most
>=ABpositive=BB contribution to contemporary thought.

I am not impressed. I am not a contemporary thinker. I had some appreciation
of Artaud when I was very, very young. Reading him now makes me feel that I
am back in kindergarten. He is emotionally simplistic.


>	Everybody has the right to write, but nobody has the right to piss
>off everyone with stupid shit that has any collective interest and  less
>again with Bataille. It is not because Bataille experimented a
>=ABdécloisonnement=BB between philosophy and literature in his writing that he
>did it without =ABrigueur=BB.

Can you suppose that I do it without <<rigueur?>>

God, man, Bataille was writing in the forties and fifties. This is 1999. I
have lived on this earth for forty six years and I can say that about twenty
of those years were pure hell. I don't mind. I have learned a lot. But do
not think that, for one single moment, I will ever discount what I know in
favor of Bataille. Ahd I lived at the time and had I been so fortunate to
have met Bataille, I am certain that we would have found some common ground.
I have absolutely no doubt that he would have respected my writing. He would
have respected it more so because it is the writing of a biological female.

The man died when I was ten years old. Three years before I had an
appreciation of him and of Artaud. I was thirteen years old, Jean
Dragon-Pretender.

Is it not allowed, by The Academy of French Snootism, that one may outgrow
the idols of his early adolescence? Are we not meant to outgrow them and to
surpass them?

I have no shame, dear Jean Dragon-Snoot. Even Nietzsche is becoming
elementary to me. In middle age, I have no doubt of my thought because I
have examined it and tried it and thrown it out and examined and tried it
and thrown it out again. Enough so that I have no doubt of my originality of
thought. If you want to challenge me, ghunda lurka, then, challenge me upon
a field that is free from what has gone on in history.

>If you want to say anything then do it in private
>mail with Ariosto for example.

Shameless sexuality, isn't it? Quite offensive to provencial Frenchmen, I
reckon. You jealous fuck.

>Since he is there, all those who used to
>participate seriously are gone...

I cannot believe that Ariosto could be capable of chasing away all these
heavy intellects.

Litterature do not mean anything goes

Literature--God, I loathe the word--also does not mean a tight ass.

How old was Bataille when he died? Older than me anyway.

Jean Bitch, if he was alive and, now, ninety six, can you really think that
he could oppose me?  He would not. Neither would Artaud or Lacan or Derrida.
Neither would Nietzsche.

None of these men were academicians. They would have embraced me.

No, it is not a matter of "anything goes." I am a good writer. Better than
that. I am a good writer who also is without inhibition. I know you resent
that. But I just have two words for you--Suck it. (EX PAC circa 1999.)

>>What do you expect from a list devoted to a poor librarian who happened to
>>be friends with Picasso? You expected an intellectual discourse, already?
>>You must be looking for List Heidegger or List Kirkegaard or something. Them
>>boys with degrees.
>
>	Assertion of an anti-intellectual...

Precisely. I am anti-intellectual. So were your idols. What side are you on
anyway?

>By the way Heidegger once said
>of Bataille: =ABBataille la meilleure t=EAte pensante en France
>actuellement=BB... So!

Give me the German translation.

>	But to stay in the common =ABtone=BB, i will say that my dog is feels
>fine!... Maybe this last sentence fits better the actual preoccupation of
>this list on personal state of sub product of thinking?

I think that you should join a circle of academic/intellectual jerk-offs.
Proper historians. Take about twelve of you and you sit in a circle and
masturbate. This is what you want. You must be a long time between circle
jerks. You are quite horny. Poor thing. Where are your so superior
Frenchmen? Having a hard time finding them or did one audacious American
woman suddenly turn you on?

>	Say whatever you want, anyway that is what you already do...

Really pisses you off, don't it, Jean Cunt?


>won't change my mind about it.

Oh, heaven forbid that you should ever change your mind about anything!

>This kind of conversation I that polutes my
>computer since 2 years breaks all good collaboration that used to be
>possible by this list, and this is not =ABpardonnable=BB, more it is a =ABcrime=BB.

I cannot speak for the rest of the list but I can say that I am criminal. I
am your culprit, Jean Shit. Put me in jail, already. I am ready to go.

While you are at it, why don't you just jail every free-thinker on the face
of the earth--anyone who disturbs you.

You speak of Bataille but you remind me of Jane Austen.

A two year absence with a sudden return.

You should be ashamed, Jean Idiot.

Shaheena Faizi