From: MFaizi5009-AT-aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:39:36 EDT
Subject: Re: conflict of interpretations


John Foster wrote:

>  How dare you allude to what is proper after all your 'discourse' which
>  appears to be improper to say the least. The comments that you made about
>  Ariosto rank among the most slanderous that I've ever encountered on a 
list.

I made no slanderous comments about Ariosto.  I may have said that he is a 
fuckhead but that is nothing.  What is a fuckhead?  Anything?

I said that he should consider removing his head from his ass.

Are all Canadians so thin skinned or are you Presbyterian or something?  You 
would not have stood a chance around here back in January or so.  The words 
would have killed you.  I reckon that it is possible to die from exposure to 
strong language.

I have been exceedingly polite to Ariosto as I have been polite to Mrs. 
Bradford-Callo (or vice versa) and to you and to Frank Callo and, even, to 
Daniel Carter.

>  Or were you just kidding. I think you were kidding were you not? 

I don't kid.  I am always serious in whatever I write.

>  What about
>  the less than 'rancorous' statements you made about Frank Callo's wife. 
Were
>  they 'proper'? 

They were very proper.  She came here with the expectation that she could, 
figuratively, show her breasts and everyone would cower before her.  Women 
are accustomed to writing completely thoughtless things and having them 
received as though they are great pieces of wisdom.  

I do not think that that sort of automatic "respect" is good for the 
expansion of anyone's mind and, certainly, it is not good for a woman.  It 
serves to keep her in her position of servility.

It is my opinion that I honored her with my debasement of her idiotic, 
womanly tripe.  I have deep respect for all fools.

I resent it that it can be supposed that I should treat the inane comments of 
another as though they make sense on the basis that this other is female.  I 
don't wear kid gloves for anyone--male or female.  If that is improper, then, 
yes, I am most improper.

>  I will not mention the comments you made about me - a little
>  more veiled but equally rancorous.

Damn.  I certainly hope that you don't expect me to feel ashamed or anything. 
 I hate to disappoint people.

>  Rancor. 1. bitter vindictive enmity, malice, spitefulness, a cherished
>  grudge. 2. A sour or bitter object of thought; something that rankles. Syn.
>  see HATRED. Funk & Wagnalls, New Standard Dictionary. 

I accept from this definition only "something that rankles."  In this way, I 
can be most raucous.

It is a very common mistake for people on lists to assume that this is 
hatred.  I don't hate.  

I do loathe cowardice.  I do loathe absurdity.  I do loathe stupidity.

>  Why don't you 'kiss me Kate' - this is what Petruchio would say to you!

And Petruchio would suffer considerably for his insipidness.  He would be 
fortunate, indeed, if he could find his teeth in his trousers the next day.

I am not merely a shrew--I do hope that you know that you are not the first 
one to call me a shrew--I am, unlike young Kate,  a very experienced shrew.  
Sexual love does not impress me at all.  It is based on such lies.

I don't like liars and I won't kiss them.

>  >>  It would be appreciated if you could enlist my attention in the 
> discussion
>  >>  of Truth by providing a demonstration. 
>  >
>  >If you want a demonstration of walking on water, I am happy as hell to 
>  >provide it.  If you want me to raise the dead, I can do that, too--no 
>  >problem.  No miracle is too large or too small for me.  
>  
>  I am waiting...Dear!!!!

Then, keep waiting.  What do you think I am?  Jesus or something?  I don't 
walk on water on command, you know.  I do it when I am goddamn ready.  Water 
walking is not my specialty, however.  I specialize in resurrection.  This 
list, for instance.  It is my Lazarus as all lists are my Lazarus'.

Soon enough, it will be seen that, once again, "The Faizi giveth and The 
Faizi taketh away."

Ya'll might not like me but ya'll have to admit that the list is not the same 
without The Faizi Force.  There ought to be a way of making a living through 
resurrection.  Maybe, I should advertise. The position reminds me a lot of 
the movie, "Beetlejuice."

>  So you agree that there are only negative determinations of truth, that
>  is, what truth is apparently not. 

I don't agree with anything, John.  Do you think that I come here for the 
purpose of agreeing?  If I wanted to agree, I could join the Daughters of the 
Confederacy, for crying out loud.  I could marry and hyphenate my name.  
Hell, I could hyphenate the living fuck out of my name already.  Marsha 
Kirby-Parcher-Faizi-Next, Etc.-And So On.

I don't agree.  I do not agree with a single thing in this world.  More than 
that, even, I will not agree.  That is my purpose in this world, Canadian.  
That is also my truth and my value and my virtue.  I don't agree.  

Ultimately, I don't agree with you and I don't agree with Ariosto and I don't 
agree with David Quinn and I don't agree with Dan Rowden.  I don't agree with 
Buddha and I don't agree with Jesus and I don't agree with Mohammed.  I sure 
as hell don't agree with Bataille.

You want a definition of truth, then, try this one on for size:  I don't 
agree. You and Ariosto might agree but I don't.

If truth is madness, then, I am mad.

>  That is a cop out.

Tell me about cop outs, O Married One.  Tell me about cop outs, Mr. 
Agreeable.  

Obviously, my statements to Mrs. Callo-Bradford (or vice versa) did not 
offend you for her sake.  You were offended for your sake.

It is rather a chilling thought to think that one could awaken one morning 
and find that he has become his wife.  In light of that potential nightmare, 
I can well understand your sensitivity.     

>  Promenaded claimed the
>  same thing. If you are going to deny that a statement is true in any case
>  that does not automatically mean that there are other statements that
>  could be truthful. 

I just gave you a very truthful statement above and that truth is that it is 
my purpose in life and my fate in life to disagree and to disagree adamantly 
and vehemently with all that is a part of this world.  

I don't belong here, John.  I will not even pretend to belong here.

That is a positive truth.

>  That is the basis of ignorance. 

Realization of one's purpose is not ignorance.

>  That is the basis of
>  solipsism. 

You cannot insult me by saying that I am a solipsist.  I will not deny it.  
To that, you may also add nihilist and I will not deny that either. I would 
rather be a solipsist and a nihilist than a believer in prevarication.  I 
would rather be a solipsist and a nihilist than to be a fool.  I would rather 
be a solipsist and a nihilist than to be a witless and guileless idiot.  

I would rather have a mind than to have no mind.  I would rather be myself 
than to be nothing; than to be no more than a spineless jellyfish that is 
washed about in seas that it cannot traverse of its own accord.  I would 
rather be something than to be nothing.

I have a spine.  

It may be true that I will yet be tossed in seas that are beyond my control.  
But it will be equally true that I will exert myself; that I will not be 
deposited upon the sand without a fight.

Will, even if limited, is a certain truth.  

>  For example if I were to state that the world is not flat, and
>  had no way of proving it, then does that still mean the world is not flat 
or
>  is mean it is round? No, it only means on the balance of probabilities that
>  the demonstration of the observation that the world is not flat remains to
>  be made. Do you understand the difference? 

Don't talk down to me.  I find that offensive and I will exact payment for 
the trespass upon my sensibilities.

No, I do not understand the difference between knowing that the world is 
round and in proving that the world is round.  Knowledge is proof.  If this 
was not so, then, ancient travelers would not have gone to sea in order to 
prove the fact.  Had Columbus doubted what he knew, he would not have set 
sail.  He knew that the world was round.  Proof was nothing for him or for 
Americus or the Vikings or whoever is credited with the proof.

Only an ass could set sail across the ocean and have any doubt at all of the 
world's roundness.  

Faith is not belief.  Faith is knowledge.

I know truth.  You don't.  You are uncertain.  I am certain.

I would not say that I know truth if I had any doubt of it.  

>  There must be a positive
>  demonstration of truth ...

You demand proof when, yet, you doubt.  When you no longer doubt, then, you 
will know.  When you know, then, no proof will be necessary.

>  but you say no there is no demonstration at all.

What do you want, John?  Can you expect God to appear on your computer 
screen?  I cannot offer you the image of God in such a way.  I cannot give 
you a capsule of truth and advise you to take it.  You have to come to it by 
your own accord and in your own time and by your own strength and will and by 
your own experience. 

Truth is consciousness.  Such awareness is not something that can be had 
merely for the asking; though the way to such consciousness can be had in 
exactly that way.

>  That is the basis of believing in fairies, esp, extra terrestrial life 
etc. 

I do not believe in fairies or gnomes or angels.

>  >I strongly recommend Kierkegaard.  Read Fear and Trembling.  Come to an 
>  >understanding of what is faith. 
>  
>  Good suggestion. I might do this. I have read the book but it was many 
years
>  ago. 

This time, read it with the thought in mind that faith is knowledge.  Abraham 
knew that God would not allow him to kill Isaac in the same way that Columbus 
knew that the world was round.  Abraham could not have raised the blade over 
his son if he had been so lacking in knowledge of truth that he believed that 
he must kill his child in order to prove his faith.

Faith is nothing.  Knowledge is everything.

I do not write in order to propound my faith.  I write because I am 
knowledgeable.

It is late and I must sleep or I will begin a reply to another post.

I lack the physical stamina to continue this one tonight.  It is my hope that 
I will finish it later.

Faizi