File spoon-archives/baudrillard.archive/baudrillard_1998/baudrillard.9803, message 60


Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:33:39 -0500
From: nik <mabnb-AT-hunterlink.net.au>
Subject: Re: Ludicrous Posts Rehabilitate My Faith in Language qua



>> what, don't you own a toaster? of course we have the power to make things
>> useful. somethings use does not depend upon truth. a hammer doesn't have to
>> be truth to knock nails into wood. computer enginering doesn't have to be
>> true for my computer to work. utility doesn't depend upon truth. 
>
>	This is useful?
>
my toaster helps me fill my tummy in the morning - its got to get utility
points for that. obviously things can be useful. 

>
>> 
>> >ASSUME THE POSITION OF THE OBJECT and take a look at 
>> >humanity. Tell me what you see (if you can stop laughing)? 
>> 
>> assume the position of the object? you cannot - it would be like trying to
>> stare at the back of your head. but you could try and assess your position
>> as an object - and i think this is something more like what Baud. tries
to do.
>> 
>> 
>
>Each time you speak of yourself, you are (not assuming the position of 
>object but) objectifying yourself. 
>
this is an interesting point. When you speak of yourself (of the first
person), you are objectifying yourself. But when you speak from the first
person, presumably you don't objectify yourself, only others.

>It is all of this ridiculous me,me,me, my turn, my turn behavior 
>concerning JB that is subjective.  What I have read is true, the 
>statement, not the work.  It doesn't get any better than that.
>
>I have been enjoying the posts on the list.
>
>I just would like some to keep in mind that the Ideological is our 
>IMAGINARY representations of THE real conditions of esixtence.  The chasm 
>created by language, its power over us, obviously hasn't been considered 
>thoroughly.  Hence, ridiculous stratements about realism vs. anti-realism.
>
realism vs anti-realism is about the chasm created by language. or, more
accuratly, the percieved chasm created by language. the idea of the real
has been lost - there are no real conditions of existence. the word real is
just another piece in the language game - just another part of the code. 

nik

   

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