From: "Havoc" <jmdock-AT-alltel.net> Subject: Re: becoming Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:03:19 -0400 yes soren i agree with you,this being/becoming stuff is kinda boring ,it's philosophy 101 ...yet still you wonder what preceeded becoming ;it's as if we 're all still theologians speculating on beginings,me and you,all of us are still trapped in this language and talk as much as we want about there being no begining or end the end and the begining have a hold on us but here's an answer...before the begining there was God and he was laughing,laughing pretty hard i would think... havoc -----Original Message----- From: Soren Pedersen <speder-AT-post2.tele.dk> To: baudrillard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu <baudrillard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu> Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 4:40 PM Subject: Re: the character > the character of being is becoming... > how can we seperate the essence from the process? > are we static beings?...well, some of us are,but certainly Baud is not,and > the whole point of postmodernism is that things are changing so fast we > can't see them or haven't yet caught up to them,hyperreality...but then > again humans always seem to be behind themselves. > havoc I have always found this becoming/being discussion boring. At least I have never been able to get adequate answers to questions such as: What is the status of becoming? Is it metaphysical (a negative ontology as Fink has named it)? Or is it mythical like Hobbes state of nature? What about being? Is being the fixation of becoming? Or it is merely a smokescreen that hides the flow of becoming? And what about deconstruction that claims that essences are always contaminated by otherness; It makes sense to say that being is contaminated by becoming, but what is contaminating becoming in its primordial expression? What preceeded becoming? or the Big Bang? God? - Soren Ps. Foucault and Virilio make sense. Modernity succeeded partly in disciplining becoming in the great institutions of family, school, military, hospital, prison, factory, etc. cf. Foucault. The acceleration of hyperreality has now broken these boundaries. New cybernetic control systems are in the process of being build to regain lost control of becoming cf. Virilio.
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