File spoon-archives/baudrillard.archive/baudrillard_1999/baudrillard.9912, message 42


Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:51:19 +0000
From: "steve.devos" <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.com>
Subject: Re: Virilio and Baudrillard


All

Intellectuals from the traditions that Baudrillard derives from always have an
antagonistic relationship with other intellectuals it is an inevitable part of the
intellectual territory that he and others works within. For this reason I think that
the relations good or bad that B. and V. have is an irrelevance. This is not case as
with for example Althussar that his personal behavior and personal writing becomes
an interesting political/philosophical text itself.

steve.devos
http://www.krokodile.com

Kevin Turner wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> You read my mind, because the next question I was going to ask was about the
> relationship between Baudrillard and Virilio. I was going to suggest that
> Baudrillard's relationship to most French theorists is somewhat antagonistic,
> (even, or especially, those who have had some influence on his own thought) whit
> the possible exception of Barthes and Virilio. Obviously after your last
> comment, this now only applies to Barthes.
>
> K
>
> P.S. I am doing PhD in sociology at Lancaster (my thesis is about military
> mapping - locating targets in space - and how this creates both space and
> place), and was wondering if you would have any objection to me contacting you
> directly to ask some questions about Virilio.
>
> "The Military is the Mess-Age."
>
> John Armitage wrote:
>
> > Er,
> >
> > I am not quite sure I have much to say about the millennium and the media.
> >
> > However, if you are interested in the relationship between Baudrillard and
> > Virilio I can tell you that the theoretical gap between them is growing ever
> > wider.
> >
> > Apart from the interview that I did with Virilio for the Hypermodern book, I
> > recently did another one with him in Paris in September 1999 on the war in
> > Kosovo. Virilio has a new book out on Kosovo in France called _Strategies de
> > la deception_.
> >
> > When I asked him about Baudrillard's _The Gulf War Did Not Take Place_ in
> > relation to Kosovo, Virilio just shrugged, spat out 'Baudrillard!' and then
> > proceeded to stick two fingers down his throat and pretended to throw up! He
> > has no patience whatsoever with Baudrillard's position on the war or
> > simulation for that matter. Virilio is concerned with real catastrophes not
> > virtual ones.
> >
> > The new interview is set to appear in edited form at the end of next year in
> > the journal _Theory Culture & Society and in full in _Virilio Live: Selected
> > Interviews_, the book I am currently editing for TCS/Sage. It will probably
> > appear early in 2001. For reasons which I now hope are obvious, the new
> > interview is provisionally entitled 'The Kosovo War Did Take Place'.
> >
> > Merry Xmas
> >
> > John
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > "The military is the message."
> > John Armitage
> > Principal Lecturer in Politics & Media Studies
> > Division of Government & Politics
> > University of Northumbria at Newcastle
> > Newcastle upon Tyne
> > NE1 8ST
> > UK
> > Tel: 0191 227 4971
> > Fax: 0191 227 4654
> > E-mail (w): john.armitage-AT-unn.ac.uk;
> > (h): j.armitage-AT-technologica.demon.co.uk
> > Read: Machinic Modulations: new cultural theory & technopolitics
> > http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/archive/r-archive/ang-con.html
> >


   

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