Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 05:38:59 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?eldorra=20mitchell?= <manynotone-AT-yahoo.co.in> Subject: Re: More from Fisk -- I do understand the problem you have described. But please do not refer to any of the posting that I have sent as contextless verbiage. For one I could argue that there is no context to any thread, or that any context in such an epistolary space is only the one under the discourse at hand. As a user of these lists, you should know this. On the other hand, if there was a discourtesy implied, then I apologize, and gladly. However since you have written to me let me take this chance to bring the discussion to a level I suggested some time ago, and which was raised by others. Who funds the Spoon Collective, and how exactly does it work in terms of the lists being used? I am asking this question because I am curious as to what makes the whole thing work? Fair enough. And by the way, I am subscribed to all of the lists -- and others -- to which this particular posting is being sent. But as I said to Malgosia I do believe this is a matter of public concern. Cordialy, E.M --- Spoon Collective <spoons-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu> wrote: > Eldorra, > I think you've misunderstood Malgosia's request > about cross > postings. When you send one message to four lists > the discussion you are > responding to may well be occurring only one one of > them. To those on the > other three lists, your posts are contextless > verbiage. To those who, for > instance, are on two or three of the lists to which > you are posting, your > cross posting is overkill -- they receive a copy of > your message from all > three lists to which they are subscribed. > > So, this is not a matter of censurship, but of > courtesy and the proper > use of the resource which Spoons and IATH make > available to subscribers. > Please do not abuse it. Subscribe to the lists you > want to belong to (you > are not a member of all the lists you have been > posting to) and respond on > the same and only on the same list that you find a > provocative message. > > Reg > (no on rotation) > > the spoon collective > http://lists.village.virginia.edu/spoons/ > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, [iso-8859-1] eldorra mitchell > wrote: > > > Taliban finds few Muslim friends > > Middle East By Robert Fisk in Beirut > > 18 September 2001 > > They have been lining up in their condemnation. > > Mullahs, sheikhs and > > sayeds, from Beirut to Tehran, are criticising > last > > week's assault on the United > > States, sending condolences and sympathy and – by > > their actions – > > distancing themselves from the atrocity that > millions > > of Arab Muslims > > watched live on television. > > There is genuine outrage, true, but it would be > as > > well to place it in context. > > Because the Taliban, the shield of Osama bin > Laden, > > has almost as many > > enemies in the Middle East as it has in America. > > For two consecutive days, Sayed Mohamed Hussein > > Fadlallah, the spiritual > > guide to the Hizbollah guerrilla movement – the > group > > that reinvented the art > > of suicide bombing against the Israeli occupation > > army in Lebanon and > > which Washington still blames for the kidnapping > of > > Americans in Beirut in > > the 1980s – has been excoriating those > responsible. > > "No religion justifies such an action," the Shia > > Muslim cleric announced in > > Beirut. "It is not permissible to use innocent > and > > peaceful civilians as a card > > to change a specific policy." Muslims and > Islamists > > opposed American policy > > in the region – "which is totally biased in > favour of > > the Zionist enemy" – but > > they wanted to be friends with the American > people, > > the cleric said. > > Sheikh Abdul-Amir Qabalan, the vice-president of > the > > Higher Shia Muslim > > Council in Lebanon, insisted Islam was "a > religion of > > justice and equality and > > it condemns any attack on civilians and the > > innocent". > > Now this makes interesting reading. No such > > condemnations followed the > > Palestinian suicide bombings that killed 15 > > civilians, including six children, > > in a Jerusalem pizzeria in August or the suicide > > bombing that slaughtered 21 > > Israeli teenagers in Tel Aviv. Hizbollah's > satellite > > groups were held > > responsible for the 1983 bombing of the US > embassy in > > Beirut in which more > > than 50 Lebanese civilians were killed. > > In Iran, whose boy soldiers perfected suicide > attacks > > on the Iraqi army in the > > 1980-88 war and whose government has always > supported > > Palestinian suicide > > bombers, President Mohammad Khatami and his > > conservative opponents > > condemned totally the New York and Washington > > bombings. This is not surprising. > > For in Tehran the rulers of Afghanistan have been > > called the "black Taliban" > > for years, long before the US identified them as > Mr > > bin Laden's protectors. > > The Iranians, and, by extension, their Hizbollah > > protégés, have long regarded > > the Taliban's "Wahabi" Sunni Muslim leaders as > > obscurantists and potential > > "terrorists". At least two million Afghan > refugees > > are living in great poverty in eastern > > Iran, many of whom would have stayed at home were > it > > not for the Taliban's > > rule and the mass starvation that the Taliban has > > done little to alleviate. Iran > > has now closed its border with Afghanistan to > prevent > > a further exodus of > > refugees and America has said that it would > > "consider" inviting Iran to join a > > coalition against "world terrorism". Iran will > most > > certainly decline. The Saudis, of course, can > scarcely > > do anything but join in the chorus of > > condemnation. They helped to create the Taliban, > to > > legitimise its presence > > in Afghanistan and to fund and arm the so-called > > students who destroyed > > most of the rival mujahedin groups who had been > > pillaging Kabul and other > > great Afghan cities in the years that followed > the > > Soviet military withdrawal. > > Mr bin Laden is himself a Saudi – though one > > officially deprived of his > > citizenship – and, as is becoming clearer, some > of > > the hijackers were Saudi > > citizens.In Egypt, Sunni Muslim clerics added > their > > own condemnation, although > > President Mubarak has been one of the few Middle > > Eastern leaders to warn of > > the consequences of indiscriminate American > > retaliation. He it was who > > warned just two short weeks ago that, unless a > peace > > was restored, he feared > > there would be "an explosion outside the region". > > Back in Lebanon, the Hizbollah itself issued a > crafty > > statement yesterday, > > regretting the loss of innocent lives in America > but > > warning Washington not to > > take advantage of the atrocities "to practise all > > sorts of aggression and > > terrorism under the pretext of fighting > aggression > > and terrorism". > > Also from the Middle East section > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct > polls, organize chat events. Visit > http://in.groups.yahoo.com > > > ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct polls, organize chat events. Visit http://in.groups.yahoo.com
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