File spoon-archives/baudrillard.archive/baudrillard_2001/baudrillard.0109, message 63


Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 05:39:33 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Re: More from Fisk 


-- I do understand the problem you have described. But
please do not refer to any of the posting that I have
sent as contextless verbiage. For one I could argue
that there is no context to any thread, or that any
context in such an epistolary space is only the one
under the discourse at hand. As a user of these lists,
you should know this. On the other hand, if there was
a discourtesy implied, then I apologize, and gladly.
However since you have written to me let me take this
chance to bring the discussion to a level I suggested
some time ago, and which was raised by others.

Who funds the Spoon Collective, and how exactly does
it work in terms of the lists being used? I am asking
this question because I am curious as to what makes
the whole thing work? Fair enough. And by the way, I
am subscribed to all of the lists -- and others -- to
which this particular posting is being sent. But as I
said to Malgosia I do believe this is a  matter of
public concern.

Cordialy,
E.M

--- Spoon Collective
<spoons-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu> wrote: > Eldorra,
> 	I think you've misunderstood Malgosia's request
> about cross
> postings.  When you send one message to four lists
> the discussion you are
> responding to may well be occurring only one one of
> them.  To those on the
> other three lists, your posts are contextless
> verbiage.  To those who, for
> instance, are on two or three of the lists to which
> you are posting, your
> cross posting is overkill -- they receive a copy of
> your message from all
> three lists to which they are subscribed.
> 
> So, this is not a matter of censurship, but of
> courtesy and the proper
> use of the resource which Spoons and IATH make
> available to subscribers.
> Please do not abuse it.  Subscribe to the lists you
> want to belong to (you
> are not a member of all the lists you have been
> posting to) and respond on
> the same and only on the same list that you find a
> provocative message.
> 
> Reg
> (no on rotation)
> 
> the spoon collective
> http://lists.village.virginia.edu/spoons/
> 
> On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, [iso-8859-1] eldorra mitchell
> wrote:
> 
> > Taliban finds few Muslim friends
> >  Middle East By Robert Fisk in Beirut
> >  18 September 2001
> >  They have been lining up in their condemnation.
> > Mullahs, sheikhs and
> >  sayeds, from Beirut to Tehran, are criticising
> last
> > week's assault on the United
> >  States, sending condolences and sympathy and – by
> > their actions –
> >  distancing themselves from the atrocity that
> millions
> > of Arab Muslims
> >  watched live on television.
> >  There is genuine outrage, true, but it would be
> as
> > well to place it in context.
> >  Because the Taliban, the shield of Osama bin
> Laden,
> > has almost as many
> >  enemies in the Middle East as it has in America.
> >  For two consecutive days, Sayed Mohamed Hussein
> > Fadlallah, the spiritual
> >  guide to the Hizbollah guerrilla movement – the
> group
> > that reinvented the art
> >  of suicide bombing against the Israeli occupation
> > army in Lebanon and
> > which Washington still blames for the kidnapping
> of
> > Americans in Beirut in
> > the 1980s – has been excoriating those
> responsible.
> >  "No religion justifies such an action," the Shia
> > Muslim cleric announced in
> >  Beirut. "It is not permissible to use innocent
> and
> > peaceful civilians as a card
> >  to change a specific policy." Muslims and
> Islamists
> > opposed American policy
> >  in the region – "which is totally biased in
> favour of
> > the Zionist enemy" – but
> >  they wanted to be friends with the American
> people,
> > the cleric said.
> >  Sheikh Abdul-Amir Qabalan, the vice-president of
> the
> > Higher Shia Muslim
> >  Council in Lebanon, insisted Islam was "a
> religion of
> > justice and equality and
> >  it condemns any attack on civilians and the
> > innocent".
> >  Now this makes interesting reading. No such
> > condemnations followed the
> >  Palestinian suicide bombings that killed 15
> > civilians, including six children,
> >  in a Jerusalem pizzeria in August or the suicide
> > bombing that slaughtered 21
> >  Israeli teenagers in Tel Aviv. Hizbollah's
> satellite
> > groups were held
> >  responsible for the 1983 bombing of the US
> embassy in
> > Beirut in which more
> >  than 50 Lebanese civilians were killed.
> >  In Iran, whose boy soldiers perfected suicide
> attacks
> > on the Iraqi army in the
> >  1980-88 war and whose government has always
> supported
> > Palestinian suicide
> >  bombers, President Mohammad Khatami and his
> > conservative opponents
> >  condemned totally the New York and Washington
> > bombings. This is not  surprising.
> >  For in Tehran the rulers of Afghanistan have been
> > called the "black Taliban"
> >  for years, long before the US identified them as
> Mr
> > bin Laden's protectors.
> >  The Iranians, and, by extension, their Hizbollah
> > protégés, have long regarded
> >  the Taliban's "Wahabi" Sunni Muslim leaders as
> > obscurantists and potential
> >  "terrorists". At least two million Afghan
> refugees
> > are living in great poverty in eastern
> >  Iran, many of whom would have stayed at home were
> it
> > not for the Taliban's
> >  rule and the mass starvation that the Taliban has
> > done little to alleviate. Iran
> >  has now closed its border with Afghanistan to
> prevent
> > a further exodus of
> >  refugees and America has said that it would
> > "consider" inviting Iran to join a
> >  coalition against "world terrorism". Iran will
> most
> > certainly decline. The Saudis, of course, can
> scarcely
> > do anything but join in the chorus of
> >  condemnation. They helped to create the Taliban,
> to
> > legitimise its presence
> >  in Afghanistan and to fund and arm the so-called
> > students who destroyed
> >  most of the rival mujahedin groups who had been
> > pillaging Kabul and other
> >  great Afghan cities in the years that followed
> the
> > Soviet military withdrawal.
> >  Mr bin Laden is himself a Saudi – though one
> > officially deprived of his
> >  citizenship – and, as is becoming clearer, some
> of
> > the hijackers were Saudi
> >  citizens.In Egypt, Sunni Muslim clerics added
> their
> > own condemnation, although
> >  President Mubarak has been one of the few Middle
> > Eastern leaders to warn of
> >  the consequences of indiscriminate American
> > retaliation. He it was who
> >  warned just two short weeks ago that, unless a
> peace
> > was restored, he feared
> >  there would be "an explosion outside the region".
> >  Back in Lebanon, the Hizbollah itself issued a
> crafty
> > statement yesterday,
> >  regretting the loss of innocent lives in America
> but
> > warning Washington not to
> >  take advantage of the atrocities "to practise all
> > sorts of aggression and
> >  terrorism under the pretext of fighting
> aggression
> > and terrorism".
> >  Also from the Middle East section
> >
> >
> >
>
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