File spoon-archives/baudrillard.archive/baudrillard_2001/baudrillard.0109, message 66


Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 01:27:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: More from Fisk 


i personally cannot care less. i think that  more important matters are
of public concern. seriously, the info sent to a particular list has to
have at least a vague relevance -- of course it's purely subjective
call--tothe list per se rather than to how it is administered. 
inna

On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, eldorra mitchell wrote:

> -- I do understand the problem you have described. But
> please do not refer to any of the posting that I have
> sent as contextless verbiage. For one I could argue
> that there is no context to any thread, or that any
> context in such an epistolary space is only the one
> under the discourse at hand. As a user of these lists,
> you should know this. On the other hand, if there was
> a discourtesy implied, then I apologize, and gladly.
> However since you have written to me let me take this
> chance to bring the discussion to a level I suggested
> some time ago, and which was raised by others.
> 
> Who funds the Spoon Collective, and how exactly does
> it work in terms of the lists being used? I am asking
> this question because I am curious as to what makes
> the whole thing work? Fair enough. And by the way, I
> am subscribed to all of the lists -- and others -- to
> which this particular posting is being sent. But as I
> said to Malgosia I do believe this is a  matter of
> public concern.
> 
> Cordialy,
> E.M
> 
> --- Spoon Collective
> <spoons-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu> wrote: > Eldorra,
> > 	I think you've misunderstood Malgosia's request
> > about cross
> > postings.  When you send one message to four lists
> > the discussion you are
> > responding to may well be occurring only one one of
> > them.  To those on the
> > other three lists, your posts are contextless
> > verbiage.  To those who, for
> > instance, are on two or three of the lists to which
> > you are posting, your
> > cross posting is overkill -- they receive a copy of
> > your message from all
> > three lists to which they are subscribed.
> > 
> > So, this is not a matter of censurship, but of
> > courtesy and the proper
> > use of the resource which Spoons and IATH make
> > available to subscribers.
> > Please do not abuse it.  Subscribe to the lists you
> > want to belong to (you
> > are not a member of all the lists you have been
> > posting to) and respond on
> > the same and only on the same list that you find a
> > provocative message.
> > 
> > Reg
> > (no on rotation)
> > 
> > the spoon collective
> > http://lists.village.virginia.edu/spoons/
> > 
> > On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, [iso-8859-1] eldorra mitchell
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Taliban finds few Muslim friends
> > >  Middle East By Robert Fisk in Beirut
> > >  18 September 2001
> > >  They have been lining up in their condemnation.
> > > Mullahs, sheikhs and
> > >  sayeds, from Beirut to Tehran, are criticising
> > last
> > > week's assault on the United
> > >  States, sending condolences and sympathy and  by
> > > their actions 
> > >  distancing themselves from the atrocity that
> > millions
> > > of Arab Muslims
> > >  watched live on television.
> > >  There is genuine outrage, true, but it would be
> > as
> > > well to place it in context.
> > >  Because the Taliban, the shield of Osama bin
> > Laden,
> > > has almost as many
> > >  enemies in the Middle East as it has in America.
> > >  For two consecutive days, Sayed Mohamed Hussein
> > > Fadlallah, the spiritual
> > >  guide to the Hizbollah guerrilla movement  the
> > group
> > > that reinvented the art
> > >  of suicide bombing against the Israeli occupation
> > > army in Lebanon and
> > > which Washington still blames for the kidnapping
> > of
> > > Americans in Beirut in
> > > the 1980s  has been excoriating those
> > responsible.
> > >  "No religion justifies such an action," the Shia
> > > Muslim cleric announced in
> > >  Beirut. "It is not permissible to use innocent
> > and
> > > peaceful civilians as a card
> > >  to change a specific policy." Muslims and
> > Islamists
> > > opposed American policy
> > >  in the region  "which is totally biased in
> > favour of
> > > the Zionist enemy"  but
> > >  they wanted to be friends with the American
> > people,
> > > the cleric said.
> > >  Sheikh Abdul-Amir Qabalan, the vice-president of
> > the
> > > Higher Shia Muslim
> > >  Council in Lebanon, insisted Islam was "a
> > religion of
> > > justice and equality and
> > >  it condemns any attack on civilians and the
> > > innocent".
> > >  Now this makes interesting reading. No such
> > > condemnations followed the
> > >  Palestinian suicide bombings that killed 15
> > > civilians, including six children,
> > >  in a Jerusalem pizzeria in August or the suicide
> > > bombing that slaughtered 21
> > >  Israeli teenagers in Tel Aviv. Hizbollah's
> > satellite
> > > groups were held
> > >  responsible for the 1983 bombing of the US
> > embassy in
> > > Beirut in which more
> > >  than 50 Lebanese civilians were killed.
> > >  In Iran, whose boy soldiers perfected suicide
> > attacks
> > > on the Iraqi army in the
> > >  1980-88 war and whose government has always
> > supported
> > > Palestinian suicide
> > >  bombers, President Mohammad Khatami and his
> > > conservative opponents
> > >  condemned totally the New York and Washington
> > > bombings. This is not  surprising.
> > >  For in Tehran the rulers of Afghanistan have been
> > > called the "black Taliban"
> > >  for years, long before the US identified them as
> > Mr
> > > bin Laden's protectors.
> > >  The Iranians, and, by extension, their Hizbollah
> > > protgs, have long regarded
> > >  the Taliban's "Wahabi" Sunni Muslim leaders as
> > > obscurantists and potential
> > >  "terrorists". At least two million Afghan
> > refugees
> > > are living in great poverty in eastern
> > >  Iran, many of whom would have stayed at home were
> > it
> > > not for the Taliban's
> > >  rule and the mass starvation that the Taliban has
> > > done little to alleviate. Iran
> > >  has now closed its border with Afghanistan to
> > prevent
> > > a further exodus of
> > >  refugees and America has said that it would
> > > "consider" inviting Iran to join a
> > >  coalition against "world terrorism". Iran will
> > most
> > > certainly decline. The Saudis, of course, can
> > scarcely
> > > do anything but join in the chorus of
> > >  condemnation. They helped to create the Taliban,
> > to
> > > legitimise its presence
> > >  in Afghanistan and to fund and arm the so-called
> > > students who destroyed
> > >  most of the rival mujahedin groups who had been
> > > pillaging Kabul and other
> > >  great Afghan cities in the years that followed
> > the
> > > Soviet military withdrawal.
> > >  Mr bin Laden is himself a Saudi  though one
> > > officially deprived of his
> > >  citizenship  and, as is becoming clearer, some
> > of
> > > the hijackers were Saudi
> > >  citizens.In Egypt, Sunni Muslim clerics added
> > their
> > > own condemnation, although
> > >  President Mubarak has been one of the few Middle
> > > Eastern leaders to warn of
> > >  the consequences of indiscriminate American
> > > retaliation. He it was who
> > >  warned just two short weeks ago that, unless a
> > peace
> > > was restored, he feared
> > >  there would be "an explosion outside the region".
> > >  Back in Lebanon, the Hizbollah itself issued a
> > crafty
> > > statement yesterday,
> > >  regretting the loss of innocent lives in America
> > but
> > > warning Washington not to
> > >  take advantage of the atrocities "to practise all
> > > sorts of aggression and
> > >  terrorism under the pretext of fighting
> > aggression
> > > and terrorism".
> > >  Also from the Middle East section
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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