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Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:47:16 +0100
From: Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms-AT-kabelfoon.nl>
Subject: Re: The end of history


Hi guys, you mind if I commend on this?
The endism seems to me nothing but a form of apocalyptical thinking, 
which has already been critisized by Nietzsche. The apocalypse is the 
historical paradigm of christianity. To me it's a dead end in philosophy 
;-) . If language is a labyrinth, if history is a rizhome, there is no 
end and no beginning.  We will get back to the same point many times but 
in different ways. Outside the circles of the desertreligions lineair 
time never was very populair.

erik

Steven Hanson wrote:

>Posthistoire sounds interesting. I think your point about non-linear time is
>the crux of it for me. I've been playing around with the Director animation
>software recently and that works in non-linear ways. Of course you're right
>about the earlier manifestations of all this, I think it was Nietzsche who
>said that there were no truths any more, (and therefore no histories) only
>contemporary prejudices serving the need of that era. Postmodernism hasn't
>helped us make any kind of reality for ourselves by proving that all
>thinking is just language. There may be no such thing as a fiction any more,
>but I'm having trouble trying to desperately cling on to the idea that
>there's still such a thing as a fact! They're kind of handy to have
>around...
>
>Steve
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>>From: Aris Mousoutzanis <emous01-AT-students.bbk.ac.uk>
>>Reply-To: baudrillard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>>Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:17:23 +0000
>>To: baudrillard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>>Subject: Re: The end of history
>>
>>Interesting...recently I read Niethammer's _Posthistoire_ where he basically
>>outlines the 'history of the end of history', stretching as back as Hegel.  He
>>is a bit critical of Lyotard and Baudrillard, mainly because this idea is not
>>that radically new, but starts with the acceleration of modernity - similar to
>>Derrida's critique of Fukuyama in _Specters of Marx_ if I remember well (had
>>read it ages ago).  Still, I agree with you Steve, and I think one might see
>>all this incrasing proliferation of 'ends' in theory during the last few
>>decades as symptomatic of the information revolution which coincides with all
>>these discussions on endism - disruption of linear time by information
>>technologies and so on.
>>
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