Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 11:45:17 -0400 From: Doug Porpora <porporad-AT-duvm.ocs.drexel.edu> Subject: Re: BHA: Closure Louis, Sorry I never responded to your original query. My head sank beneath the waters of daily grind. In any event Colin pretty much said what I would have said. Of course I would deny what you now ask Colin to agree with: >No matter what the definition of closure, don't we agree that >event regularity is an essential trait of closed systems? Actually, this seems to be a contradictory formulation since if I define closure -- as I tried to -- so that event regularity is not essential, then event regularity will not be essential to closure. So event regularity cannot be essential to closure independent of how we define closure. Your last post, though, made me wonder how you would deal with quantum mechanics. We know that quantum processes do not yield constant conjunctions of events but only statistical regularities. So if event-regularities are the sine qua non of closure as you say, then you also seem forced to say that quantum mechanisms can never be the object of experimental closure. As that conclusion appears to be contradicted by the double slit experiment and others, I think we need to reject the premise that regularities are definitive of or even essential to closure. That leaves my alternative that what is essential to or definitive of closure is the _causal_ (pace Caroline) isolation of mechanisms, whatever pattern that isolation produces. Andy, thanks for that very helpful clarification on retro - diction and duction. I concede that these are what we should practice. Howard, thanks for that great passage from Pateman. I'm glad to see I am not completely isolated in thinking something like this about the past. I'm still trying to get to library to read that NLR article. doug doug porpora dept of psych and sociology drexel university phila pa 19104 USA porporad-AT-duvm.ocs.drexel.edu --- from list bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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