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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:43:44 +0100
Subject: Re: BHA:International law a subset of critical morality (DPF:Chapter3)

Yoshie, Tobin

I don't really know why NATO is attacking Yugoslavia, but the historian
in me agrees with Yoshie re humanitarianism. When did a great power or
alliance ever wage war for predominantly humanitarian reasons?
(Humanitarianism may come into it, as in, say, the abolition of slavery,
but it is unlikely to be the main story.) Why should we believe that
Slick Willy and Buddy Blair Etc are behaving differently?

Mervyn Hartwig

Yoshie Furuhashi <> writes
>Tobin Nellhaus wrote:
>>I'm confused, so maybe I missed something somewhere.
>May I (finally delurking) submit that in the social world as it exists now,
>there can be no such thing as 'humanitarian' bombings or interventions by
>the USA, the NATO, and even by the UN? Ethnic Albanians in Kosovo have been
>used in the geopolitical calculus as pawns (hence the media portrayals of
>Albanians in Kosovo as good victims and Chechens as evil terrorists, even
>though both groups have produced armed nationalist-secessionists, who are
>in turn repressed by the state from which they are seeking independence).
>Today, Albanians in Kosovo are pretexts for bombings; several years from
>now, they are likely to become enemies (or 'hostile natives' as in Somalia,
>if, as it is likely, the NATO will put ground troops there and stay on--no
>'self-determination' for Albanians in Kosovo, who will be governed
>according the needs of capital, obviously). Meanwhile, both 'smart' and
>dumb bombs (such as cluster bombs) have been killing many and endangering
>everyone in Yugoslavia, not just 'Serb Nationalists' as the imperial media
>have us believe. Isn't it a duty incumbent upon us to speak the truth and
>not to extend the cover of 'humanitarianism' over the NATO attack on
>*****  The Atlanta Journal and Constitution
>April 22, 1996, Monday, CONSTITUTION EDITION
>Clinton vows help in Chechnya peace bid
>by Marcia Kunstel and Joseph Albright; STAFF CORRESPONDENTS
>Moscow-- Handing Russian President Boris Yeltsin a prop for his troubled
>re-election bid Sunday, President Clinton likened the savage, unpopular war
>in Chechnya to the American Civil War and promised to use his influence to
>help end it....  *****
>*****  'We're not inflicting pain on these fuckers,' Clinton said, softly at
>first. 'When people kill us, they should be killed in greater numbers.'
>Then, with his face reddening, his voice rising, and his fist pounding his
>thigh, he leaned into Tony [Lake, then his national security adviser], as
>if it was his fault. 'I believe in killing people who try to hurt you.. And
>I can't believe we're being pushed around by these two-bit pricks.'"
>--Clinton ordering the bombing of civilian targets in Somalia, as quoted in
>All Too Human, George Stephanopoulos
>(from  *****
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Mervyn Hartwig

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