From: Martti Puttonen <maputto-AT-laatikko.saunalahti.fi>
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:32:55 +0200
Subject: BHA: Real and irreal issues in psychotherapy 




Dear all,


I have practiced some years DCR philosophical issues when doing 
professionally psychological educational and therapeutic work in 
cognitive-behavioural therapy (CBT). I am keen on applying DCR 
(Dialectics; Plato, Etc.; it seems to me to be sound, consistent and 
opens new important issues in  wellbeing) in order to evaluate how 
real theapeutic practice is possible in real scientific sense. 
Otherwise the therapeutic practice would be irreal falling to   
actualist therapies or actualism, dualisms, etc, and that  
therapeutic practice is not of any help or is not grounded   
scientifically and thus ethically making possibly harm to the   
client. The dialectics of 3L and 4D avoided by constructing   
dualist, and other solutions at the 1M and 2E, real world is not   
manageable for the client. And then the realist scientific basis is   
lost in professional practice.  

   I think CBT has created its working basis and general quidelines   
for procedural (argument etc.) practices from the realist basis,    
although there may exist and emerge so many real irreal things in the 
therapeutic practice which maybe can have in some way or other the 
impact on that these therapies are apt of falling to irrealist    
directions, and thus being ethically flawed and "dysfunctional"    
making irrealist things to emerge and getting stronger in the    
client's fourplanar being. If being this case, therapeutic work    
makes  clientīs  real potentials more absent and other kind of    
negative absences more stronger, and making intentional agency    
though therapeutic practices more real thus fails. 
     But there are many philosophical issues here, which makes it     
difficult to evaluate what kind of truths there are functioning     
in the therapy, because it is not possible for the individual to     
have or construct more freedoms at once, and those irrealist     
things have very strong power over her. 
    If somebody has been working around the topic in philosophy and 
or in DCR, letīs exhange arguments. 
     I also have made philosophical arguments about the therapeutic 
practice in the domain of  DCR  -philosophy and argued specially , 
how psychotherapeutic practice  would be possible in helping 
clients with their mental health  things, and specifically with 
their depression. Someone  interested, please contact me.

Regards, Martti Puttonen, Psychologist
             address: Kirsitie 17
                           28600 Pori
                           Finland


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