From: "Martti Puttonen" <maputto-AT-laatikko.saunalahti.fi> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:00:40 +0200 Subject: RE: BHA: RE: On transdictive complexes Hi Marsh, I don't have an idea why you said that my position in dialecticization of realist ontology was conceptual or preconceptual and in what sense. > Martti wrote: > > => living problems. Are you given up the possibility to the > dialecticization of critical realism, Marsh? > > No, but I take a position akin to Sayer's (in Radical Political Economy) > that the dialectical nature of the world needs to be determined through > research rather than legislated a priori. As for dialectical conceptual > apparatus, I take a similar position in that it has its uses but, like any > tool, we should not use it when it's inappropriate. Sayer does not seem have the Bhaskar's conceptualization for solving this problem, You say that the world is determined through research. It is a epistemological stance not ontological. To me the dialectical world is determined when it happens to be determined initially independent on the action of research. Your other alternative that world is legistlated a priori is actualist irrealist position, not the solution of Bhaskar's dialectic. Your epistemological stance seems to me similar to the conceptual apparatus, you on the other hand are eluding. You stress on scientific method but it is epistemological stance and so you can't get away from initial conceptual world, and so you lose social world. So it is clear, that my position is not dialectical conceptual one, but dialectical ontological one, because I dialecticization of realist ontology is not a conceptual stance. > > Marsh > Martti --- from list bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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