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From: "Martti Puttonen" <maputto-AT-laatikko.saunalahti.fi>
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:00:40 +0200
Subject: RE: BHA: RE: On transdictive complexes


Hi Marsh, 

I don't have an idea why you said that my position in 
dialecticization of realist ontology was conceptual or 
preconceptual and in what sense.   

> Martti wrote:
> 
> => living problems. Are you given up the possibility to the
> dialecticization of critical realism, Marsh?
> 
> No, but I take a position akin to Sayer's (in Radical Political Economy)
> that the dialectical nature of the world needs to be determined through
> research rather than legislated a priori. As for dialectical conceptual
> apparatus, I take a similar position in that it has its uses but, like any
> tool, we should not use it when it's inappropriate.

Sayer does not seem have the Bhaskar's conceptualization for 
solving this problem,  You say that the world is determined 
through research. It is a epistemological stance not ontological. 

To me the dialectical world is determined when it happens to be 
determined initially independent on the action of research. Your 
other alternative that world is legistlated a priori is actualist 
irrealist position, not the solution of  Bhaskar's dialectic. 

Your epistemological stance seems to me similar to the conceptual 
apparatus, you on the other hand are eluding.  You stress on 
scientific method but it is epistemological stance and so you 
can't get away from initial conceptual world, and so you lose 
social world. 

So it is clear, that my position is not dialectical conceptual one, 
but dialectical ontological one, because I dialecticization of 
realist ontology is not a conceptual stance.

> 
> 	Marsh
> 
Martti 


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