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Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:27:53 +0000
From: Mervyn Hartwig <mh-AT-jaspere.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: BHA: comments on terminology


Hi Tobin

All I have on Bhaskar is what's in the DPF index under praxis, as quasi-
propositional - pp.66-9, 246-7. I haven't looked in PE for this. I'm
afraid I don't know what happened to Archer's talk, whether she
published it or what. I agree re your criticism of Archer's analysis of
culture. Please remind me where I can read your article, or better, send
me a copy.

Mervyn


Tobin Nellhaus <nellhaus-AT-gis.net> writes
>Hi Mervyn--
>
>> Yes, this is perhaps partly what Bhaskar means when he says that
>> practice is quasi-propositional. But only 'quasi', note.  There is
>> always a descriptive dimension for language users to knowing an apple
>> through eating it, but of course it's by no means all that's going on.
>
>Yes, no argument here!
>
>> Insofar as it's not propositional, the practice doesn't differ in kind
>> from the practice say of the caterpillars who also eat the apple very
>> effectively. I think, and I think Bhaskar thinks, that there is an
>> extra-discursive dimension to our knowledge.
>
>I think CR/DCR lends itself to this position, or at least it's open to this
>view, which I consider an extremely important one.  But I can't think of any
>place where RB explicitly discusses it -- maybe you know of some cites?
>
>>                            This I think was also
>> Margaret Archer's theme at the CCR Conference 2 (?) years ago; if I
>> recall right, she tried to undermine discourse theory by demonstrating
>> an extra-discursive, ontologically prior dimension to our coming to
>> grips with the world in infancy. Primacy of practice!
>
>Boy, I sure hope so.  One of my criticisms of her *Realist Social Theory*
>and *Culture and Agency* is that her analysis of culture is way too
>cognitivist.  Who knows, maybe she's even read my article on semiotics.
>(Yeah, dream on, T.)  On the other hand, there are lots of definitions of
>"discourse," and some of them accommodate the quasi-propositional, so I'd
>need to see the details.
>
>Thanks.
>
>---
>Tobin Nellhaus
>nellhaus-AT-mail.com
>"Faith requires us to be materialists without flinching": C.S. Peirce
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