File spoon-archives/bhaskar.archive/bhaskar_2000/bhaskar.0006, message 44


Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 02:23:52 +0100
From: Jan Straathof <janstr-AT-chan.nl>
Subject: Re: BHA: From RTS to FEW


Hiy Ruth, you wrote:

>I haven't read this new thing yet, but it sounds more like a kind of
>absolute idealism than an irrealism.

it's neither idealism nor irrealism Bhaskar would say, it's
plain and simple "ontological realism about God (in the
ID)", and as a way to get in touch with that God out there,
Bhaskar proposes a path of "Twelve Steps to Heaven".
[i.e. our TD work]

>In any case, I'd focus (have focused)
>on the concept of alethic truth, specifically, in this regard.  I'm not at
>all convinced that Bhaskar's earlier work requires this concept.

"requires" no, but "implicit" yes; i mean, when RB introduces
the notion of alethia (cf. DPF) he immediately provides for
the necessary links with his previous writings (viz. RTS notions
like: intransitive dimension, causal structures and generative
mechanisms); see also later in PE pg.64:

"d) truth as *ontological*, no longer tied to language-use as such and
in this sense objective and in the intransitive dimension, typically
achievable when referential detachment occurs; and a special case
of which is

     d') truth as *alethic*, i.e. the truth of or reason for things, people
     and phenomena generally (including in science most importantly
     causal structures and generative mechanisms), not propositions."

i always read [understood] this as: aha, so the *alethic* was
always already implicit in your notion of ontological truth
in the ID as in the Dr of RTS . . . ;-)

>If this
>latest stuff *IS* nascent in the concept of alethic truth, it doesn't follow
>that it is implicit in everything the guy ever wrote.

maybe it's my too personal reading of Bhaskar, but there is
certainly a clear continuity and unfolding going on in his
thought, especially on ontological matters.

yours in dharma,
Jan

                    and here's one for you Ruth :-)

  "The proof of God's existence is experiental and practical.
  (And God, though enduring ingredient essence of, may be
  more or less (as well as differentially) experienced and/or
  realised by men." [EW:44]




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