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From: maputto-AT-saunalahti.fi
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:15:59 +0200 (EET)
Subject: Re: BHA: another go at the DPF intro



Hi Ruth, 

Only one notion to your elaborative accounts: 
 
> >B.
> >As I said, maybe someone else can help us with the details of the Hegel discussion.  I got two main things from it:  (1) like Adorno, Bhaskar is in favor of what he, as did Adorno, calls "negative" dialectics -- an account of dialectical processes in which there is no presumption that such processes end in closed totalities -- or, more precisely, no presumption that they end ultimately in one closed totality; (2) the rational kernel of Hegelian dialectics is the sense in which it captures the logic of scientific development.
> >Ruth 

For Adorno there was no dialectical processes as preexisting, only for human individual there was contradictions of an arbiquous (or only radical negations) kinds in consciousness. Adorno did not had ontological world, only some ontic things, taken as things (not only empirical and not theoretical or conceptual at all). There is no 'similarity' in Adorno and Bhaskar in here at all. As for Hegel, it is difficult to conceive what is Hegel's account for open totalities because of his early turn 'from ontologial dialectics to spiritualist world', where there is no real things captured by transcedental human knowing. 

Regards,

Martti Puttonen



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