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From: "Caroline New" <c.new-AT-bathspa.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: BHA: negativity wins
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:58:01 -0000


Sorry I am always a week or more behind... Your kindly offered examples seem
to bear out my point that absences are parasitic on presences for the
properties by virtue of which they are on certain levels, have certain
structures... Caroline
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From: "Jan Straathof" <janstr-AT-chan.nl>
To: <bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: BHA: negativity wins


> dear All, some scattered remarks,
>
> for Caroline:
> a better, more obvious, example of structural absence might be the
> structural underrepresentation (and manytimes complete absence) of
> women in the ruling circles of corporate, governmental and scientific
> organizations - at least that's the case here in Holland-, a phenomenon
> which subsequentially seems linked to (and consequential for) the
> structural underrepresentation (and manytimes complete absence) of
> men in householding, childcare etc.
>
> Mervyn wrote:
> >evil, and I think Bhaskar is very wise to suggest that evil is basically
> >parasitic on the good and that we should 'let go and let God' i.e.
> >forget about the spooks, *shed* them, and get on with our lives and
> >flourish (I don't mean 'let God' literally - I'm an agnostic).
>
> but Mervyn do you really believe, a la Nietzsche's active forgetting,
> that "forget about the spooks" will be just enough to let them disappear
> by themselfs ? -- i think the spooks are real, and we will have to expose
> fight them whenever we can !
>
> Howard wrote:
> >5. "A purely positive world could not move, change."  I have never
> >understood this argument.  It is just as much a *logical* possibility
> >that there could have been a purely positive world where everything
> >moved and changed because it was exquisitely choreographed by the
> >Grand Ballet Master in the Sky as it is to assume the corresponding
> >*logical* possibility that there could have been just nothing.
>
> leaving aside speculations on alleged exotic powers of divinities, but
> imagine a full box of matches (as an example/metaphor of a purely
> positive world), in such a box it is *impossible* to move one match
> form place A to place B, *at minimum* there must be some free room
> (i.e. absence) to allow for moving (around) of the matches; thus logically
> in a purely positive (i.e. full) world movement (in space) and change
> (in time) are impossible; to obtain the possibility of difference and
> change in united space-time (cf. Einstein) one has to co-invoke the
> reality of absences (emptiness, open-endedness, indeterminacy etc.)
>
> yours,
> jan
>
> ps. (contra to RTS) i tend to view DPF less as a full-fledged theory,
> yet more as a systematic protest against neglected ontological issues
> (i.e. absences and her relatives) and deceptive epistemologies
> (the family of positivisms) ?
>
>
>
>
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