Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:29:08 -0400 From: Richard Moodey <moodey001-AT-mail1.gannon.edu> Subject: BHA: correction Phil Blackwell was the publisher of Lemert's Postmodernism is not what you think. Dick Moodey At 09:51 PM 09/20/2001 +0100, you wrote: >Dick, > >Your post is very provocative and alive, but I'm not sure I accept that the >West's global influence is declining. I don't know anything about Charles >Lemert. Did he write that in a book? Can you give details of the source? >Once again thank you for picking up my thread. > >Phil Walden > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > [mailto:owner-bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu]On Behalf Of Richard > > Moodey > > Sent: 21 September 2001 18:50 > > To: bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > Subject: Re: BHA: RE: Is (C)reality wrestling with ideology > > > > > > Charles Lemert recently wrote POSTMODERNISM IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK. He > > means postmodernism is not simply a way of thinking, but a > > condition of the > > world. Some major aspects of this condition are cultural > > fragmentation and > > the decreasing dominance of "the West." > > > > Dick Moodey > > > > At 07:14 PM 09/19/2001 +0100, you wrote: > > >Bwanika, > > > > > >I don't understand all of your English but I want to try to > > respond to the > > >issues you are raising. The American intellectual Fredric > > Jameson wrote a > > >1991 book called POSTMODERNISM: OR THE CULTURAL LOGIC OF LATE CAPITALISM. > > >In this book Jameson attempts to show (I think convincingly) that > > >postmodernism is a "condition" that Marxism has so far > > completely failed to > > >face up to. Jameson lays down the challenge to Marxism (and his > > own work is > > >pathbreaking here) to philosophically confront postmodernism and to > > >undermine postmodernism by doing what his 1991 book does - taking > > >postmodernism seriously. His point is that postmodernism is not > > a passing > > >ideology that is fading away or a game being played by > > postmodernists in the > > >universities - a game which they are supposed to be losing - but rather > > >postmodernism has a real material basis in contemporary Western society. > > >One of the obvious sources of this real material basis is that > > the mass of > > >the population receives its information about the world through the > > >television. Thus abstract images are imposed by the bourgeoisie onto a > > >population which, in the absence of a viable communist party, is > > gradually > > >losing its critical capacities. This is a problem Marxism in > > the West has > > >so far completely failed to confront because there was, and still is, a > > >presumption that postmodernism was a fad and would simply go away. In my > > >opinion even Bhaskar's work has only scratched the surface of the problem > > >because although he strongly defends dialectics he fails to show how > > >dialectics needs to be developed in order to challenge postmodern > > >consciousness. Or, at least, I can't see how he faces up to this in his > > >work. Hope this is interesting to you. Can you tell me what do you mean > > >when you say "Is time elastic and are choices infinite > > justice?". It might > > >help to say that I believe that the universe had no beginning - it has > > >always existed - but that there is objective historical time, and choices > > >(being mental activity) are part of the real material world. I > > believe that > > >the latter assertion has been demonstrated by the dialectical > > materialism of > > >Joseph Dietzgen. In my view where Bhaskar might be making a > > contribution in > > >FEW, amongst all the mumbo-jumbo, is in presenting the possibility of a > > >reconciliation of faith and reason which Hegel started but which urgently > > >needs to be developed. > > > > > >Phil Walden > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > > > [mailto:owner-bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu]On Behalf Of > > > > DBBwanika-AT-netscape.net > > > > Sent: 20 September 2001 09:54 > > > > To: bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu; psn-AT-csf.colorado.edu > > > > Subject: BHA: Is (C)reality wrestling with ideology > > > > > > > > > > > > Sociologist Erving Goffman wrote a book called (I think) The > > > > Social Creation of Reality in Everyday Life .This title > > > > encapsulates the issue: > > > > > > > > People and their societies grown up to believe in things that > > > > seem to make alot of common sense. What is the truth ? Is time > > > > elastic and are choices > > > > infinite justice > > > > > > > > The facts of matter are more complex than ideology- virtual > > > > reality is not neccessarily reality. Is this only the beginning > > > > of Demasking the world > > > > shrouded in naivity? > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bwanika > > > > > > > > url: http://www.uganda.co.ug > > > > e-mail: dbbwanika-AT-netscape.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift > > > > ideas. 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