Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:31:38 -0400
Subject: Re: BHA: More On: Progressive sociology (small notices)


Moodey

It appears to me scientific (liberal) religious beliefs (the physics) are divinising the wrong things namely; the intransitive objects. For instance, God is in marbles, (and it appears or) so is the very ontological nature of social transformative dispositions (intrinsically disposed) and not extrinsically obtained, and as a per-condition for her own existence. And not a complement or to be confused with the laws governing intransitive objects, which obtain in the intransitivity objects themselves and causal powers. And Emil Durkheim was about it – organic solidarity I suppose. 

Bwanika.

Richard Moodey <moodey001-AT-mail1.gannon.edu> wrote:

>Hi Bwanika,
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>You have hit upon an interesting feature of the intransitive/transitive 
>distinction.  That which is "socially constructed" is in the transitive 
>dimension.  (In DPF (p. 400) Bhaskar says that the transitive or 
>"epistemological dimensions of science . . . must logically be extended to 
>include the whole material and cultural infrastructure of society.")  Yet, 
>once it becomes history, a past event, a socially constructed reality 
>enters into the realm of the intransitive -- it cannot be altered by our 
>thinking about it differently, or saying different things about it.  Of 
>course, there are those who deny this, who claim that since the past 
>"exists" only in our texts and our memories, it changes as our memories and 
>texts change.
>
>Dick
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>At 07:26 AM 07/18/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>>Sociology a science ?
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>>And we just imagine that (a)practical order (b) natural order (c) social 
>>order intersect somewhere some how - how could then should argue that 
>>indeed there is a paradigmatic moment in the human scientific project?
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>>I ask in wake of my narrow familiarity with science- which does actually 
>>seem a very illusive project in regard to human affairs (economic - man).
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>>In the 'Philosophy and the Idea of Freedom' Bhaskar Roy writes, thus ? 
>>"what we are told in revolutionary science are new- revolutionary- 
>>stories(intransitive dimensions) about the causes of natural phenomena. 
>>Moreover in social life the principle of existential intransitivity holds 
>>just the same. Thus redescribing the past in a revolutionary way can cause 
>>radical new changes, including a new sense of identity, self-definition or 
>>auto-biography. But it cannot retrospectively cause old changes , i.e. 
>>alter the past as distinct from its interpretation. (1991:11)"
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>>He goes on to right ? that the notation of intransitive objects of 
>>inquiry, as distinct from transitive result? To make sense of ( a) our 
>>cognitive practices (the ways we change and augment the planks in the 
>>boat); (b) the uses of knowledge (the cognition- dependent activities- 
>>fishing, ferrying, cruising- in which we seafarers engage; and (c) the 
>>historical formation of the sciences (the process by which the boat got 
>>built in the first place and might yet get sunk). (1991: 13)
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>>Here is the link
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>>http://csf.colorado.edu/mail/psn/2001/msg00676.html
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>>bwanika.
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>>e-mail: dbbwanika-AT-netscape.net
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