Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:55:10 -0400
From: Richard Moodey <moodey001-AT-mail1.gannon.edu>
Subject: Re: BHA: Culture as structure and process


Hi Carrol,

It seems to me that it is more likely that particular kinds of relations 
and the conceptualization and linguistic coding of those relationship 
emerged together, not exactly simultaneously, but in a dialectical process 
in which the conceptualization and articulation of the relationship entered 
into the constitution of the relationship.  Neither relationships nor 
conceptualizations (and articulations) emerge full-blown, all at 
once.  They develop gradually, together.  It would take considerable 
evidence and argumentation to get me to accept a one-way causal 
relationship -- either way.

Regards,

Dick

At 09:01 AM 09/09/2002 -0500, you wrote:


>Doug Porpora wrote:
> >
> > Hi again,
> >
> >   In
> > my maybe not so hard Marxian view, once rules of property ownership
> > give rise to class relations, those class relations can objectively
> > exist even if no one in the society is at all conscious of them.
>
>I would assume that property ownership in various forms must have been
>in existence for centuries, probably millenia, before anyone would have
>formulated it in conceptual terms. Consider the contrast between the
>_Odyssey_ and (a few centuries later) the _Republic_. Both (among other
>things) are about the privileges of rule -- but it is inconceivable that
>there should be an episode in the _Odyssey_ in which several of the
>rulers sit down and someone says, "What does it mean to be a King?"
>Surely Kingship long predates any conscious (or unconscious) "rules of
>kingship" -- just as humans must have been talking for a number of
>generations before it dawned on them that they were talking.





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