From: "Jamie Morgan" <jamie-AT-morganj58.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: BHA: Are we dialectical materialist realists or empiricist realists?
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:11:16 +0100


Hi Gunter, send away - I'd like to read it, there's no short answer on
transitive intransitive.

Jamie

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From: "Günter Minnerup" <g.minnerup-AT-unsw.edu.au>
To: <bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: BHA: Are we dialectical materialist realists or empiricist
realists?


> On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:28:32 +0100, Mervyn Hartwig wrote:
>
> >Hi Phil, Jamie, Dick, Gnther,
> >
> >Welcome to the list, Jamie, Gnter (I think this is right)
>
> More or less (what's an umlaut between friends), and thanks. I've joined
this list because I've been attracted by what little I've read of Bhaskar's
philosophy
> (Realist Philosophy of Science, the anti-Rorty, and Collier's
Introduction, but not -yet- Possibility of Naturalism or Pulse of Freedom)
in terms of its usefulness
> for a Marxist philosophy of history (i'm writing a book on the liberal
historiography of Germany). The problem is the sterile debate in mainstream
historiography
> between empiricism and epistemological relativism (most recently, and most
vociferously, postmodernism). The common denominator of both is that their
> criteria of truth are purely contemplative, hence my point which you refer
to:
>
> >2. Jamie, Dick, Gnter. For what it's worth, I agree with Gnter's point
> >about truth being ontological, not epistemological, which Jamie takes.
>
> Now if truth is ontological not epistemological, but if all purely
intellectual labour is of necessity within the domain of epistemology, how
do we bridge the gap
> between epistemology and ontology (I'm sure there's a better way of
putting this but it's late at night...)? Something to do with the
subject-object relationship
> and the concept of labour as the practical transformation of the object,
I'm sure. The purpose of my raising this is that, with my limited knowledge
of
> Bhaskar's writings (see above), what I have missed most in what I have
read is an explicit treatment of the problem of praxis (or whatever else
"bridges the
> gap" between ontology and epistemology, between the intransitive and
transitive domains). Am I alone in this? Have I missed or misunderstood
something?
> Is there anyone else who has struggled with a critical-realist philosophy
of history? I'm quite happy to send some of the stuff I've written to anyone
into that
> problematic for comment (off list).
>
> Gnter
>
>
> Gnter Minnerup
> Visiting Fellow
> Centre for European Studies/School of History
> University of New South Wales
> Sydney NSW 2052
> Tel. (+61 2) 9385 1363 (work)
> Tel. (+61 2) 9398 3646 (home)
> Email g.minnerup-AT-unsw.edu.au
>
>
>
>
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