From: "Verstegen, Ian" <iverstegen-AT-ursinus.edu>
Subject: BHA: Description and Danto
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 09:09:35 -0400


 
Jan, Karl, Ruth and everybody,

Thanks for the responses.  I seem to be hearing not to jump
when I hear 'boo!'
Danto said this in his Analytic Philosophy of History of 1965
(it has been reissued recently).  I would like to look at it more
closely to see how stongly he might say this description just IS history.
The reason I suspect that is that he uses similar arguments for art.
Art just is what the Art World (conceptually) decides to call it,
 a la Warhol's Brillo Box.  So the ontic is strongly tied to the conceptual
(epistemological).

Ian

-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie Morgan
To: bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
Sent: 10/20/02 03:55
Subject: BHA: Re: A Quick Question

Dear Jan, what did you mean by  'judgemental rationality' (analytically
and
morally)?

Jamie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Straathof" <janstr-AT-chan.nl>
To: <bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 1:42 AM
Subject: BHA: A Quick Question


> Ian, you asked:
>
> >I have a quick question relating to historical explanation.
> >Following Wittgenstein, Arthur Danto said in the 1960s that
> >we explain history only insofar as we have considered it under
> >some verbal description.  This seems to be some sort of conceptual
> >relativism of the Quinean (again influenced by Wittgenstein)
> >sort.
> >What would Critical Realism say to this?
>
> A quick response.
>
> I think CR has no problem with conceptual relativism, which imo is
> just a subspecies of epistemic relativism. The point is that a
critical
> realist contribution to historical explanation lies on the ontological
> level, viz. the search for those "intransitive real" emergent
structures
> and generative mechanisms which act (through history, but quite)
> independent of any verbal description of them. And further, with the
> aid of the notion of judgemental rationality (analytically and
morally),
> we have possess of a tool which both drives hermeneutics and secures
> the ongoing accumulation of knowledge.
>
> yours,
> Jan
>
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