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From: "dbwanika" <dbwanika-AT-uganda.co.ug>
Subject: BHA: Then what is Logical Posivitism & Dialectical Realism
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:57:04 +0100


Richard , Jamie, Jan

help on this:

In Structuration theory Anthony Giddens (1994) The Constitution of
Society, seems to be saying that people follow structural sets; the
rules and regulation: morals, social values, religous beliefs, ethical,
etc.,. 

What does he mean by structural sets vis vis the four plannar  social
being  encompassing the social cube and his so called nexus of competing
ideology?  (plato  etc,. 1994:97

By way why is there a natural death of religion and morals and social or
society values in industrialised societies as per Giddens assertation?

This is interesting because he, (Giddens) seems to imply - the state is
not equivalent to  society in deploying: morals, social values,
religious beliefs, ethical, etc, in regard to the use of languages as
signifiers. 

So what is social institutions as opposed to state institutions and also
what are their effects in regard to positivism vis vis dialectical
realism?

So he means to imply state LAWS are different from social  CONVENTIONS?

If that is fine with you, then what is it that is implied with LOGICAL
POSITIVISM  as opposed to   DIALECTICAL REALISM?  

See also

http://query.nytimes.com/search/abstract?res=F20B11FE3B5C0C718CDDA90994DA404482 

I hear, logical positivism is the clearest methodology in science ever
discovered, though Wittgenstein L. (1953) Philosophical Investigation, 
seems to suggest LANGAUAGE   as in Bhaskar's epistemic fallacy, does not
quite well define real and actual situational conditions  rather than
the empirical one.  

Let me get an example on logical positivism (empirical) statements:

                 All urban dweller are human beings 
                 Human beings have freedoms 
                Therefore all urban dwellers have freedoms.

So what is wrong with this statement in regard to Giddens structuration
theory where people  follow structural set of  rules and regulation:
morals, social values, religious beliefs, ethical, etc,.

Fine!, we can also add

            All children and CEO are human beings
            Human beings have free will
            Children as CEO have free-will 
            so children have free will.

Is this is what is meant by logical deduction? And  what so problematic
with it ?  If children can choose that is their problem. They can as
well try drugs and learn from experience.  Doesn't these statement
rhythm well with Bhaskar's dialectical critical realism- so what is the
difference?

By the way how could bhaskar talk of the logical of scientific discovery
at the same time condemning logical positivism? - Did i understand him
right ?

  

sorry for my english , I am African writing english with some heavy
english connotations
is a social construct, not mine construct.

best,


bwanika.


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