From: "dbwanika" <dbwanika-AT-uganda.co.ug> Subject: Re: BHA: P/T inconsistency, Open/Closed World- Truth of things & Perspectival Switch Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:40:55 +0100 Listers A good Samaritan has helped with a some few answers which I felt i should put before the forum for further examination . I hope you will be kind and help me with some more views otherwise i will get stuck. Bracketed statements are the replies to my questions I asked in my previous article of today thank you again for your kindness, bwanika ------ Much ink has been spilled on Fordism - and indeed organisation/al economics and sociology, now being supplanted with its cousin: licensed organisational psychotherapy and social competence, to solve seemingly underlying structurally embedded systems, in Bhaskar's "structural sins" of Max Weber's bureaucracy. From the origins of disintegrating family to the economy and society, at a Popperian falsification disjuncture. (reductionism) Think of two statements re:Popper; " it is moving", and "it is changing" which implies that, it is moving, it is changing or doing both at once. The problem arises when either of the statement is an alethic truth or truth of things. ----- R [I cannot see how asking whether or not the statement is an "alethic truth" R adds anything to simply asking whether or not it is "true."] -------- If we thought of let us say creating jobs, how exactly does the state do it within a system of very few choices - the world is open the system is closed. Build more roads, more buildings, parks, more machines, or diverse machines with all faces, shapes and tribes, fashion and tastes- a vicious circle a closed system. --------- R [Neither a vicious circle nor a "benign circle" necessarily implies a R closed system. In systems theory, there can be either positive or negative R feedback loops, and the predominance of negative loops over a period of time does not necessarily mean that the system is closed. For example, in humanly created systems such as you are writing about, above, storms, droughts, invasions, or even new inventions can enter the process, because it cannot be "closed off" from the interference of such external forces.] ------- Citizens, why are automated assemblies lines generating (un)employment at the same time creating enormous profits and on the one hand all time low wages. Bhaskar Dialectic 1993:233 Is this another "epistemologically fallacious" misinterpretation, misunderstanding or misrepresentation of society as opposed to state institutions? It is up to you who have spent a life time reading into these things nature to correct me. ----- R [I would not agree that it is the assembly lines that are generating R unemployment or low wages, but that capitalists and their managers are continually seeking ways to increase profits, and that one of the best ways to do this is to lower their labor costs. Mechanization and automation have been standard ways of reducing labor costs, as has been moving operations to places where labor costs are cheaper. Imo, to say that automated assembly lines cause unemployment and low wages is to fall into the fallacy of reification.] ______________ logon on & Join a ug-academicsdb list at http://www.coollist.com/subscribe.html List ID :ug-academicsdb-AT-coollist.com Your Email Address : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bwanika url: http://uhpl.uganda.co.ug e-mail: dbwanika-AT-uganda.co.ug http://pub59.ezboard.com/fugandamanufacturersassociationfrm1 --- from list bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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