From: "Jamie Morgan" <jamie-AT-morganj58.fsnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: BHA: Adorno subject-object Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:55:22 +0100 A bit more confused now, Cartesian dualism is true (socially necessary in some point in time for Adorno)? ----- Original Message ----- From: <rgroff-AT-yorku.ca> To: <bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 11:18 PM Subject: Re: BHA: Adorno subject-object > Hi Jamie, all, > > I am so sorry to have still not posted anything on the article. In my > (admittedly feeble) defense, I have been (and presently am) apartment hunting > in Milwaukee. Thanks to the Shorewood Public Library, I get to check my e- > mail! > > re: 1) I don't understand what you're asking, Jamie -- can you spell it out a > little for me? Sorry to be dense. > > re: 3) Don't know. But have just started the lectures on sociology, so might > know soon. > > re: 2) Here I think I can contribute: He means to say that the idea that there > is pure, inner subjectivity (on the one hand) and then pure outer objectivity > (on the other) itself reflects/expresses/is a product of a social reality in > which subjects really are unfree, really are unable to exercise conscious > control over their lives (including over the social relationships that > determine the character of their experience). So Cartesian dualism (and even > Kant's residual unknowable thing-in-itself) is true in the sense that it > expresses a real social condition. The subject/object divide is thus > ideological in the classical sense of the term -- a false but real appearance. > (Parenthetically, this is why, or the sense in which, he likes Kant better than > Hegel. In Hegel he sees a reconciliation of subject and object that is > illusory -- same as Marx.) So Hegel, he thinks, doesn't flag, philosophically - > through a split between subject and object - the real problem of reification. > > Is that helpful? > > r. > > > --- from list bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > --- from list bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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