File spoon-archives/bhaskar.archive/bhaskar_2003/bhaskar.0307, message 37


From: "Jamie Morgan" <jamie-AT-morganj58.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: BHA: Adorno subject-object
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:55:22 +0100



A bit more confused now, Cartesian dualism is true (socially necessary in
some point in time for Adorno)?

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From: <rgroff-AT-yorku.ca>
To: <bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: BHA: Adorno subject-object


> Hi Jamie, all,
>
> I am so sorry to have still not posted anything on the article.  In my
> (admittedly feeble) defense, I have been (and presently am) apartment
hunting
> in Milwaukee.  Thanks to the Shorewood Public Library, I get to check my
e-
> mail!
>
> re: 1) I don't understand what you're asking, Jamie -- can you spell it
out a
> little for me?  Sorry to be dense.
>
> re: 3) Don't know.  But have just started the lectures on sociology, so
might
> know soon.
>
> re: 2) Here I think I can contribute:  He means to say that the idea that
there
> is pure, inner subjectivity (on the one hand) and then pure outer
objectivity
> (on the other) itself reflects/expresses/is a product of a social reality
in
> which subjects really are unfree, really are unable to exercise conscious
> control over their lives (including over the social relationships that
> determine the character of their experience).  So Cartesian dualism (and
even
> Kant's residual unknowable thing-in-itself) is true in the sense that it
> expresses a real social condition.  The subject/object divide is thus
> ideological in the classical sense of the term -- a false but real
appearance.
> (Parenthetically, this is why, or the sense in which, he likes Kant better
than
> Hegel.  In Hegel he sees a reconciliation of subject and object that is
> illusory -- same as Marx.)  So Hegel, he thinks, doesn't flag,
philosophically -
>  through a split between subject and object - the real problem of
reification.
>
> Is that helpful?
>
> r.
>
>
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